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fatslob-:O said:
Ka-pi96 said:
It always make me laugh how against healthcare Americans are. I can't help but wonder if it's just a stubbornness thing, like they just aren't willing to admit that other countries do something better than them

How are Americans against healthcare ? That's just a misconception ... 

"Better" is totally arguable when -Snip-

Better is not arguable imo when over 45 000 people die every year in the US because they can't afford healthcare. And that number is 0 in every other industrialized country.
Unless someone lacks compassion for people who are less fortunate than yourself. Just the other day there was a story about a mother who lost her child because the ambulance suggested she take a car, because she wouldn't be able to afford the ambulance ride. Only in America...

My friend from Florida got bit by a dog and had to get a rabies shot. He's just a college student but was forced to pay over $4000 USD for those shots. And that's a lot of money for a college student. If that happened to me I'd pay $10 - $15. What a garbage system.

@Ka-pi96 Why American's are so against universal healthcare is a mix of years of brainwashing funded by the pharmaceutical industry, while USA is the only modern country where the government can't negotiate drug prices, which is why USA doesn't just have the worst overall healthcare of any modern nation, they also pay the most for it. (If you're rich, US healthcare is No #1 though.) You can buy the same US manufactured drugs from Canada for costs many times lower than if you buy them domestically.

The other factor is that a lot of people don't consider these things until it happens to them or someone they care about.
I've seen a fair number of people who initially were against it and called it theft (like paying for roads, the fire department, etc?) and then months later started a go fundme begging strangers for money to pay for their medical bills.
I think the difference between most of us, and people like them, is that it doesn't need to happen to us personally before we realize its importance.
Look at this conservative writer going to a progressive rally.

She thinks it's terrifying to consider... that our children deserve healthcare and education...

It's astonishing to anyone who has lived outside of the US for a few years that someone would think like this. But to them, this is normal.

To everyone else, it's almost unbelievable that a country that frequently boasts about being the best has managed to convince it's population to have 45 000 die every year due to something that's considered a human right in every other industrialized nation.
Of course people deserve to live, at the very least. Except in the US.

Of course universal healthcare will cost less. Every other country with universal healthcare spend less for healthcare/medicine per person than USA does.  Their system is more cost efficient. The legislation that passed in 2002 that prevents the government from negotiating drug prices with pharmaceutical companies would no longer be able to get exploited to the same degree with the regulations that come with a single payer system.
But even if it cost more, it's still very much something every modern society should have. Everyone should have a right to live in a humane society.

Last edited by Hiku - on 01 August 2018