Donald Trump: How Do You Feel about Him Now? (Poll)

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Dulfite said:

VGPolyglot said:

And how does that work with Donald Trump supporting torturing of captured individuals, the death penalty, etc.? How can you say you're pro-life and then simultaneously be fine with a president endorsing capital punishment and torturing individuals? Of course, not even considering the societal reasons for abortion, what about the health reasons? If a woman's life is at risk and abortion would be necessary to save her life, would you still oppose it? Because the fetus would still perish either way. Now, considering societal reasons, we have rape victims who shouldn't be forced to endure 9 months of difficulty for something that they were forced into having, the list goes on and on.

Sorry, was on vacation and just now replying! I absolutely am against torture. Sadly, it looks like every modern President has had torture in some shape allowed, so that really isn't a Democrat/Republican divide. Capital punishment is also something that has been done under both parties, regardless of what they'd like you to believe. That being said, I could never personally execute someone (let alone murder) and I am morally opposed to that.

Regarding the health of the woman, I am sympathetic and obviously, everything needs to be made available to them, but not at the risk of killing an innocent life that had no choice in any of the woman's actions. People have sex and the consequence of that, often, is being pregnant. You have to know that going into that, whether you're on bc or using contraception, etc. If that woman's life was at risk, I am still against it. If the baby is already dead that is different, but if the baby has a chance to live then why is that more valuable than an adult's chance to live? Both should be given that opportunity as much as possible. And I know that by saying this many will be in an uproar, but again I am standing by my belief that all life, including unborn babies and the elderly and the poor and anyone and everyone, is a precious thing. If the baby is guaranteed to die regardless? I would probably trust the doctor's recommendation in that. But if there was even a small chance of the baby surviving, I would obviously not support abortion.

Regarding rape, again I am sympathetic, and obviously there should be funds to help those women and adoption options, and the men should be held responsible, but again, is it the baby's fault she was raped? Abortion punishes the baby for the actions of a lunatic man and that is wrong. That baby is innocent of that horrible sin that was committed on that woman and shouldn't be punished for it. But if the women can't afford the baby or doesn't want it, then that is where I said we need to fix our adoption situation to allow those to happen more easily and behind less red tape.

The really interesting thing is that people can be relatively close on certain principles but still see underlying facts so differently that they are nearly on diametrically opposed positions.  My position is that before a certain level of development the fetus is not a "person", which is why it is not wrong to kill it.  Once it is a person (or once there is a reasonable likelihood of personhood) then it is wrong to kill it.  Your position is that personhood begins at conception (unless I'm wrong about that—correct me if I am).  So right there we stand on opposite sides of the abortion issue even though we both agree it's generally wrong to kill a "person". 

Beyond that I'd say that there is more gray area to late-term abortion that you seem to be admitting to.  Like, if the fetus only has a 25% chance to live and a 75% chance that letting it come to term will kill the woman, I would say that the woman has the right to choose to defend her own life against the "attacking" fetus, assuming that there isn't a way to remove the fetus non-lethally.  Please let me know if we actually agree on this too!  But where do we draw the line on the "likelihood of fetus living" vs. "likelihood of woman dying"?  It's murky territory.