scrapking said:
I'm aware that fewer animals killed means fewer animals bred into captivity. Not sure what your point is. Or do you think it's better for animals to be born into a system that (for example) puts them in a tiny cage and keeps them there their entire life at a huge cost to the planet's environment, and to the health of the humans who eat them? Nearly 99% of the animals on the planet are now domesticated animals, with animal agriculture ironically doing more to cut into wild spaces for animals than any one other thing. About a third of the planet's ice-free land is now devoted to animal agriculture, either directly or indirectly, and it's completely unsustainable. Pointing out that animal agriculture involves rape and murder would have seemed an excessive comparison to me too, when I ate meat. No one likes to hear bad things about our habits. Things definitely change when you "take the red pill" and learn what really goes on behind closed doors in factory farms. Murdering and raping animals is only not excessive to the degree that we accept it as necessary. But it's 100% unnecessary since we have alternatives, and those alternatives are generally cheaper and healthier. We humans engage in a curious form of racism, and that's thinking the human race is better than other kind of animals (speciesism, as it's sometimes called). With how horrible humans are to each other, to the environment, etc., I don't think the evidence suggests that humans are deserving of special treatment. |
I like how you completely ignored the comparison to your rape analogy of doing the same with crops on a mass scale, did that make you feel bad too?, aww, you ignore that whenever someone brings it up in the thread I've noticed, so clearly you don't want to discuss things like the mass forced production, forced breeding, forced growing and forced harvesting of all crops, worldwide, and the environmental impact that has on the world in running those agricultural machines, the long process of washing, drying, sorting and packaging, then the impact of trucks delivering said product around the world to stores, or the environmental impact of having animals habitats destroyed to make way for vast crop fields.... yet you act like this is an exclusive impact only done by animal agriculture, which is bullshit.
All the environmental impacts, (to both forests, and animal habitats) occur whether it be a field for animals to graze in, or a field for crops to grow.
And the total land used worldwide used for grazing stands at 3 billion hectares, the total land used worldwide for crop production stands at 1.4 billion hectares, and while you might jump the gun and say "ha, see, it uses twice as much land as crop production!", you need to keep in mind that 1.2-1.4 billion hectares of that grazing land are in countries where mass crop production isn't possible (the largest of which being africa), and thus the animals are left to roam vast swathes of land in order to forrage for food themselves, with that in mind the land use globally for animal agriculture and crop production is very similar, and yet, if you got your wish and the whole world turned vegan, do you think the current land use for crop production would sustain the demand?, or would that land once used for animal agriculture end up used for crop fields too (yes, it would). in which case, even if every single person on this planet turned vegan, not only would it not effect how much land was used for agriculture in general, but the amount of land used for agriculture would actually increase to accomodate the demand, creating an even more detrimental impact on both the environment and wildlife.
I know what goes on in meat production, i've seen the battery hens, I've seen the abuse some facilities do (chainsaw to a pig, etc), and yet, I still eat meat, I still visit my local farm and buy freshly killed chickens, pluck them myself, cook them, eat them, still enjoy beef, lamb, chicken, fish, buffalo, the works, should I feel bad that some animals aren't treated humanely?, should I stop eating meat because bad things happen in the world?, no not at all, as you yourself pointed out in the last paragraph, humanity is guilty of at times doing equally messed up stuff to itself, and there is no end in sight to that either.
And no, I wasn't pointing out that animal agriculture rape and murder seems like an excessive comparison, you're straw-manning, I was pointing out that making the jump from that to comparing it to the actions of a rapist or serial murder, thus implying that meat eaters are comparable to said rapist and murderers, was fucked up.
So you can keep your "red pill" (ohh, you're SO WOKE!!), and all the other pills you guzzle down, and I'll keep eating meat.
Last edited by NATO - on 02 March 2018
