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o_O.Q said:

i don't think scientists working in the field would put both on the same level but ok

and i'll repeat, you cannot model a singularity

Then you completely miss the point of the Hadron Collider.

So... You are wrong. Again.

o_O.Q said:

are you claiming that you can model a singularity using CMB? can i get a quote on that?

 

The CMB is part of the model. Don't you understand how a model is fundamentally is built? It's not built using a singular piece of evidence.

o_O.Q said:

correct, but belief in something without adequate evidence is faith though which is what i said... and in every case i brought up, the people believed and acted on their belief

No. Faith is belief without *any* evidence. Without "adequate" evidence implies there was still some evidence.

 

o_O.Q said:

there always has to be some type of precedent or cause associated with a belief, people don't just believe things in a vacuum, there is always some type of stimulus that affects their behavior people may believe in god because of a book, or spiritual experience or whatever the other thing is that people regard these things as evidence to themselves subjectively so what you put there is not entirely right
there is a reason for example that the doctors of the past believe in blood letting just as the christian believes in god because of their bible

Those people are regarded as idiots.

Believing in something simple because of a book is gullibility.
You need more than just a book, you need more than just some kind of random experience. You need proof, you need evidence, you need citations/sources.

What doctors believed in the past is ultimately irrelevant, we have already established that science, including medical science will change as new information comes available, science is flexible that way, religion is not.

o_O.Q said:

Its ironic that you'd say that... you spoke of CMB before 

have you personally done the experiments to verify the existence of it? if not you therefore have faith in what the scientists who have are telling you correct?

I have read the peer reviewed journal about the CMB.

So no. I don't have "faith" because there is something tangible for me to comprehend.

o_O.Q said:


that's not to call their evidence into question but to demonstrate that you right now have faith and you can take issue with  me saying that but if you're being objective you'll know that its the truth

I do not use faith. I use scientific understanding to create my views... And I am happy to change my view if new evidence comes to light, either via reading or debate.
I am not rigid like religious nuts.

o_O.Q said:

 "https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_irreligion"

those are not atheist countries, just secular... you said specifically atheist countries previously

They are not as separate as you think.

 

o_O.Q said:

i'm not even saying that i think the theory is wrong or whatever, i just wouldn't put it on the same level as gravity since there's less evidence we deal with directly

That is a false.
Just because you don't have any understanding of the Big Bang or it's supporting evidence, models and so on, doesn't mean it shouldn't be lumped in with other theories.

I do have to ask though, are you a hard-line religious creationist?



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