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SpokenTruth said:
Ouroboros24 said:

Don't throw anything away, but don't condemn them without giving them a chance.  It's not like Trump killed anyone.  He's said dumb shit, but does that mean you get to deny him of a chance to run the place before he's even started.  All I'm saying is let him mess up and get himself into trouble.  or let him succeed.  Just give him a chance.  If you don't, well to me it sounds like sour grapes on your part. 

He messed up before being elected.  That's my point.  Messing up now is just par for his course.  We didn't want him in because he had a history over the past 1.5 years of messing up.  But you want us to believe he won't mess up now?   Or do you want us to give him the same chance the R's gave Obama?

Okay, this is the problem with your argument.  You give him no room to do anything right.  In your eyes, nothing he does now is correct and he shouldn't be given a chance.  Let's just outright go into the impeachment process day 1.  That is what you're arguing for.  At least if we give him a chance, we would know whether or not we had it right or wrong. 

And for all the wrong he's done, everyone seems to forget the right he does.  You place Trump on the stigma that he's racist, misogynist, incompetent, etc. all based on the soundbytes that the media has placed on him.   Sorry buddy, but that's just one side to his spinning coin.  He's done some great things for the world and for people.  Just like how Hillary is made out to look like some she-demon, unless you look through her personal records, has done great things for people.  I'm just saying, he's not forgiven, but we owe Donald, nay, we owe the system some vote of confidence.  You can tar and feather them after their failures.