How are white people supposed to feel about their own race?

[DonFerrari]

SuaveSocialist said:

DonFerrari said:

So we have several centuries atributed to capitalism in the death count on the whole world versus some decades of direct famine death and execution on socialism and you want to use the same balance?

I used the whole world for the case of Capitalism's death toll?  Read my first paragraph again.  The US alone more than doubled the world's death toll for "Socialism".  It also managed to surpass "Socialism's" death toll in less than half the time.  The first link also illustrates that it only takes less than six years for Capitalism in the modern world to systemically cause more deaths than "Socialism" has in its totality--and that's only looking at systemic causes of death!

The second link is the big picture, comparing all the world's capitalism-induced deaths vs "Socialism's".  (Socialism is in brackets because it is Communism that takes the Credit for 100M deaths, not Socialism).

Your cognitive dissonance is showing.

The reason I ignore the "study" you present is because the 100M count of socialism is due to direct execution of people that don't agree with the system inside the country or people that are in the party but are seem as adversary plus the ones killed by the central planning socialism applies. USA couldn't kill 200M inside their own borders even if they tried. War isn't due to capitalism (since socialism and prior to both systems it already occured) so you can only count what was caused by the mechanisms of the system. Famine in africa isn't capitalism (even more when a lot of those countries are socialist).

Final-Fan said:

DonFerrari said:

It isn't painting all with the same brush, is saying that one degree or another group leaders try more to get benefits to themselves than to benefit others. Is all socialists evil? No, but all that arose to absolute power are. They start asking for equal rights and better payment and end as kings.

I explain that quality of life followed industrialization and better wages followed more value (and wealth) being created. You can't share what you don't have.

1.  So you're saying "they are all greedy and selfish, but not to the exact same degree".  That's not exactly refuting my point.  By now it seems to me the basis for your position is "power corrupts", which could easily be applied to the corporations you seem to claim the unions are victimizing, or the government, or anyone. 

2.  Decent wages followed industrialization at quite a distance, coincidentally right when unionization gained steam?  The same happened with society addressing horrible work conditions, wage slavery, et cetera? 

1. Unless you want to refute human kind then you can't put that it's invalid. No, power don't corrupt, corrupts seek power to use it that way. I couldn't care less about the corporations or unions. The only problem is that the direct effect of demanding more from the corporations get throw back at the society right away. Again, it's impossible to give what you don't have, and since corporations need to make profit, if you raise the costs (like by demanding bigger wages) you will raise the price and the society will have to pay it, and then the same money will value less.

2. Sure the way things were 150 years ago are still the same right now right?