How are white people supposed to feel about their own race?

[DonFerrari]

SpokenTruth said:

DonFerrari said:

Guess you haven't followed this NCAAP case them. But since the one drop rule is basically rubbish and in Brazil it's obnoxious since almost everyone have heritage from most of ethinical groups I won't fault you for that.

I understand your point on ridiculous law, but just to remember, laws are basically useless. Natural law when written is followed because it already was followed before, forced laws aren't followed because a piece of paper don't change people behaviour. Much like you can't make a law prohibiting people to be poor.

And on the reparations... I know it's a minor portion, but they are the most vocal, the ones that get more of the spotlight, the ones that twist things and get media support... and guess what, there have a lot of them heading those organizations for personnal gain. And that is why I ignore the minority movements, because they are a shelter for those guys, and you rarely will see anyone that identifies oneself in that minority being vocal against those vocal minorities while still part of the movement, they just play dumb.

An NAACP case involving the One Drop Rule?   Definitely haven't seen that one.

I'm guessing the reparations voices get media play in Brazil.  They don't here.  As part of my job, I have the news on constantly and it's rare to hear about it.  Conservative media seems to bring it up every now and then and I never hear from liberal media.

Not exactly involvind one drop rule. But in the case of the white guy that was accepted as black he had one ancestor, but in the case of this girl that tainted herself, do her hair, etc and was married to a black guy (but didn't had any black ancestor) she was expelled because she was pretending to be black. So basically they were ok with someone claiming to be black (independent of skin color) as long as the person had one ancestor that were from african ascendence.

They get a lot of voice here.

And on facebook I see a lot of it in America as well, but I don't know if it's similar in news or that if in Facebook most of it is spread by SJW, right wing or what.

ArchangelMadzz said:

DonFerrari said:

Guess you haven't followed this NCAAP case them. But since the one drop rule is basically rubbish and in Brazil it's obnoxious since almost everyone have heritage from most of ethinical groups I won't fault you for that.

I understand your point on ridiculous law, but just to remember, laws are basically useless. Natural law when written is followed because it already was followed before, forced laws aren't followed because a piece of paper don't change people behaviour. Much like you can't make a law prohibiting people to be poor.

And on the reparations... I know it's a minor portion, but they are the most vocal, the ones that get more of the spotlight, the ones that twist things and get media support... and guess what, there have a lot of them heading those organizations for personnal gain. And that is why I ignore the minority movements, because they are a shelter for those guys, and you rarely will see anyone that identifies oneself in that minority being vocal against those vocal minorities while still part of the movement, they just play dumb.

Do you have a gay parade in Saudi Arabia? A Black Lives Matter on Somalia? Or a feminist protest in Syria?

No. The only place SJW have space to protest about what they think is wrong is places that are a lot better to live than the places those problems they say exist really do exist.

Jesus H Christ.

You don't have it there because they would be killed. You know that. Just because you don't have the threat of death doesn't mean you're not being discriminated..

Who even mentioned SJW's? I feel like you're having an argument no one is having due to things you've seen online.

Exactly, but you seem to refuse to understand. The places were gay, woman and different races really are targets to most of the issues the SJW claim to happen massively in the west are only found in these places that they would be killed indiferently.

And that is why I said that you can only parade in places that bigger problems (like being hunted, war, famine, etc) have been solved, so you can complain about minor problems.

Owwww I'm mentioning because a lot of people in this thread wants to pretend they are almost inexistent, but they sure occupy a lot of space.

binary solo said:
I think white people should be in the forefront of not thinking about race at all. The world will be better off when we stop dividing people according to race. And since most (but not all) racial oppression has been carried out at the hands of white people then it's white people who need to take a lead trying to create a post-racial world.

I am neither proud of my race nor am I ashamed. No one has achieved anything BECAUSE they were white, so of what is there to be proud of whiteness? It's not whiteness that enables great discoveries and achievements in the arts and sciences. To claim it is whiteness that contributes to this is, by definition, racist, because it suggests that by mere skin tone you have a superior capacity to achieve great things. To say that whiteness is not a basis for these achievements means there is logical justification for pride in one's skin tone. Similarly whiteness is not a cause of racism or tyranny or oppression or slavery, so one's skin tone is not a reason for historical guilt.

Sorry, but racial oppression only happened mostly by the hand of white people in the west... in Africa black people do that between tribes, in middle east it was largely carried against jews and christians (or white people if you want), in Asia it also is still carried against most outside ethinicities.

You want to hear the great secret, the only ethnicity that formally ruled out slavery was the white folks.

the-pi-guy said:

You shouldn't feel guilty about it.  There are people who are asking you to feel guilty about it, don't listen to them. 

What you should recognize though, is that black people in so many cases have it a lot harder.  

There's economic issues of all kinds, it's even been shown that it's harder to get jobs just for being black.  

There's a lot of racist nuts out there.  We are so much better than we were, even 50 years ago, but there are still nuts out there.  There's still Nazi people, there's still KKK people, lot of horrifying stuff.  

There's also a lot of stereotypes out there.  Even in cases where someone might not consiously think worse of black people, but they for whatever reason decide to keep an eye on them, or maybe even decide to move to the other side of street because you're a teensy bit paranoid.  

I personally don't see what the point in having pride in race is.  Race doesn't even technically exist.  It's a social thing based on skin color, which even changes depending on what you do and eat.  Although, thinking that seems to be a white priviledge.  

I agree with you on most of what you said (even on the hardship to find jobs, that in some instances I can agree that both guys with similar qualifications but different skin color would have different chances of being hired... unfortunately no law or even parade can change that, only time solve those things)

And most people discriminate... black against black and black against white prejudice is quite common as well.

And on the change the side of the street I would say that a lot of times it have less to do with skin color than to clothing and body language (but sure some will want to tie the hip hop and gangster look to black guys and say that you do change because you are racist).