PS4 Neo presentation leaked

[Pemalite]

bunchanumbers said:

DonFerrari said:

PS4 had nothing of it and yet sold a lot more... so?

You are surely assuming a lot. So since speculation is useless we can only go for the "real" differences.

If Sony start producing the same tecnology 1 year earlier they will have bigger improvements in cost.

If the power and frequency of the chip is smaller they will have better output rates on the dies.

By being a litle weaker it will drain less power, generate less heat, probably be smaller and cheaper as well (including power supply and cooling system).

 

All you put isn't exactly smaller cost but smaller margins or negative margins, so final price could be small for MS, but cost won't.

MS pretty much destroyed themselves with the DRM fiasco and ps4 does have a power advantage. Plus Sony had that brilliant launch advertising campaign. The one with the crowds and the girl who said 'All my friends who are gamers own Playstation.' Followed with Greatness Awaits. It was a masterclass in marketing. I fully expect them to do it again. Its why I said it could be 2 hamsters. Sony has a year and a good marketing team. Neo will sell millions.

Neo had better sell millions otherwise it will look like a flop.

I would like to see Microsoft (And Nintendo!) match Sony in terms of sales, even if it is an uphill battle as competition is good for all consumers.

DonFerrari said:

bunchanumbers said:

The ps2 had the advantage of being a dirt cheap dvd player. Streaming services killed the media advantage playstation had. Even if you factor in 4k bluray, the Xbox 1 S is a cheaper option. Sony's biggest advantage is the time gap between launches.

PS4 had nothing of it and yet sold a lot more... so?

Pemalite said:

Sony might not have made the same deal with AMD+Global Foundries that Microsoft has, meaning their costs might actually be higher.

Microsoft's chip might be smaller and cheaper to manufacture.

Microsoft might be willing to eat some of the costs to shift more units.|

So many maybes, that really, you have no idea if the Neo will be a lower price. ;)

You are surely assuming a lot. So since speculation is useless we can only go for the "real" differences.

If Sony start producing the same tecnology 1 year earlier they will have bigger improvements in cost.

If the power and frequency of the chip is smaller they will have better output rates on the dies.

By being a litle weaker it will drain less power, generate less heat, probably be smaller and cheaper as well (including power supply and cooling system).

 

All you put isn't exactly smaller cost but smaller margins or negative margins, so final price could be small for MS, but cost won't.

I was using the assumptions to hone in on a point. - That no one truly knows where Neo or Scorpio is going to land in terms of performance and price, except AMD as they are the only entity who can see over both sides of the fence.
All we have are rumors, which should always be taken with a grain of salt untill legitimate information comes out from Microsoft/Sony.

We have no information on performance, die sizes, yields, clocks, ram capacities, price, nothing.
For all we know Scorpio is using an extremely small chip but with a super high clock rate which makes it cheaper to produce than the Neo.

One thing we know for certain though is that fabrication is constantly improving.
Sony and Microsoft will likely both be using Global Foundries as that is where the bulk of AMD's deals lay at the moment.
That means whatever AMD and Global foundries learn about fabricating the Neo SoC will also be applied to Scorpio.

Remember, Sony and Microsoft are not allowed to deal with these chips at a low-level only AMD and it's Fab partners, so whatever improvements are made at the fab level tend to apply to everyone.