Peh said:
Nuvendil said:
Almost no cops shoot civilians cause they feel like it. And this is 11 officers shot by two civilians who had the brilliant idea that gunning down 11 innocent cops who did absolutely nothing will somehow make all the bad cops in the world suddenly behave. Say what you want about cops in Dallas but at least they don't go into a crime ridden neighborhood, round up eleven innocent people and shoot them in hopes the criminals will behave. In fact, the recent shooting wasn't even IN Dalas. The cop who shot someone was in Minesota for goodness sake so bringing up the competency of Dallas's police force here seems rather out of place.
As for why ALL cops carry guns, the way the system works here is that all cops are equipped to be first responders to any call. If you call 911 and tell them some guy is shooting at your house or a man broke in with a knife, they don't dispatch someone from the station they dispatch the nearest unit. If your standard police officer was armed with piss all, they wouldn't be too effective in responding to deadly threats.
As for rights to bear arms, not going into that here. But my point was people like this who want to shoot in cold, calculated measure or in completely crazy way a bunch of people will not care if they are allowed to carry a gun. The illegal gun trade is there and is accessible to those who don't really care about consequences. Which people like this rarely due. Sure, they would likely not go long after purchasing the gun without being caught but the reality is they aren't going to sit on the gun, they're going to shoot people with it.
Finally, I never said it was a perfect system and that EVERY city has perfect standards for police recruitment. However, the generatioin of a mostly entirely artificial "us vs them" mentality is what is making cops increasingly nervous and angry around many civilians and making civilians unwilling to cooperate with and even behave agressively towards police officers. Which will only make this worse and perpetuate the violence. Cause police officers ARE people, no matter how much you educate them they are people and this kinda stuff does effect people.
PS: do your math again. Years have 52 weeks. 35 week academy + 24 week field training + all the other interviews and examinations = 60+ weeks. It's not the highest standard in the States much less the world but at least get your complaints right.
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I guess you misunderstood my first sentence. This argument of "if x had a gun, this could have been avoided" is the main argument from the NRA for school shootouts. I'm just ridiculing it.
A year has 52-54 weeks per year. Not just 52. But that's not even the point of what I said. The point is, that Cops accross the US are badly trained which give idiots like these a reason to go on a killing spree at cops.
Minnesota has a longer education span for becoming a cop (2-4 years). So, no complains there at the moment. But that's sadly not the case for all the states.
Of course you got your bad share of cops everywhere which drag all the cops in your state into a bad light. But the worst part is that the police stationa are backing some of these up.
Also this: http://www.innocentdown.org/ fuels the agression towards police.
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Well school shootings are inherently different than these situations. And it's a generalization to say that the presence or absence of an armed guard would stop all shootings, each is different.
But you point about the Minnesota thing proves my point. Dallas cops get 60 weeks and they weren't the agressors in this incident and to my knowledge haven't had any bad shootings make headlines recently. But the Minnesota cop after 2 years minimum gunned down a guy who was going for his wallet cause he paniced. Education and training can help, but cops are people and the high tension right now is affecting cops as much as civilians. It's more about the qualities of the person's training rather than the quantity. 60 good weeks is better than 4 poor years. Now 4 good years is likely better than 60 good weaks before you bring it up but my point is, lack of training is only a small part of the problem. And it's a problem on both ends, civilian and cop.
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