Is free will a myth?

[Peh]

deskpro2k3 said:

Peh said:

If you want a private conversation use the pm system like everyone else. If you post in a public forum then be prepared to get answers you don't like. Simple as that. If you want to contribute something meanful to the topic then do it. But this pointless posts you did will help no one and it leads nowhere, princess.

 

Listen.. Regarding the statement I made that was directed to the OP, your reply to it was out of context. Now I have no idea why you're talking to me about organic matter and DNA, when my point was about free will and causality down to a quantum mechanical level. You know, I even told you something factual about carbon.

Now let me hit you with some knowledge, and this will be the last of it because I don't want to derail this thread because of you. If you don't understand something I post, next time just ask instead of injecting yourself. I don't mind explaining my thoughts, but if you're going to say I'm not helpful, and making pointless post, then all I have to say is pot calling the kettle black. causality.

Too bad that I was the only one in this thread who actually cared of responding to you. Now I understand why. Is this how you deal with every other member on this forum?

Do you actually even know what out of context means? I tried to understand where you wanted to go with that post of yours, but it seems you don't know it for yourself.

My first sentence in that response was: "What do you expect to find there?" So, wasn't I asking you? Where is the response to this? How can you go and tell me, I shoud ask you next time if I actually did? Kind of dishonest from you.

Now let me take a "deeper" look at your first post and make a comparision to what you've said in your last.

So, our brain is made out of atoms. Yes, indeed it is, like everything what you see and don't see(actually, you see the photons reflecting from it) is made out of matter. So is iron. Are we iron? No. But that's probably not wher you wanted to go. Atoms are made out of Neutrons, Protons (You missed that one) which is the core and electrons. Let's go deeper: You've got quarks, we have the family of quarks where we've got: up, down, charm, strange, top and bottom. Then we've got the Leptons with electron (oh wait, this one you already mention on a higher level, nvm) electron neutrino, muon, muon neutrino, tau and tau neutrino. I'm still asking myself where you want to go with this, but let's continue. Oh... you still want to go deeper, but.. that's how deep we can go. Besides the quarks and leptons we also have photons (without a mass), gluons, Z Boson, W Boson and the Higgs Boson which is giving our particles a mass. Ok, we reached rock bottom now. What's next?

"At what point are we different from the air we breathe and the light that we see?"

Well let's see.. air is a specific mix of elements of gas on earth on a certain level above the water (I had to google the right amount, I don't expect anyone to know this)

nitrogen (78,09%)
oxygen (20,95%)
argon (0,93%)
dioxide (0.039%)
and trace gases (0.003%)
Also water vapor with up to 2%

Ok.. and light is made of photons..... (I could go into electro magnetic waves and the spectrums of it, but what's the point?)

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We are not made out of photons, and we are not made out of air. There you go. We are made out of matter (atoms and all what comes with it) if you really want to go that way, but we differentiate between unorganic matter and organic matter. Yes, organic matter contains carbon and other elements. So what? The organic compound is what's the difference from a mix of gases (air) and photons.

And no, your point stated above was nowhere near about free will and causality. By the way, causality works in quantum mechanics a bit differently. And what has carbon to do with Free Will? Carbon is an element, so is oxygen and hydrogen. Seriously, please make the connections here.

So far, you are just throwing random terms into the mixer and hope something delicious will be the result. If someone doesn't agree with you, or doesn't get where you go.. you act like " Don't talk to me, I wasn't talking to you". Guess why I called you a princess. You don't like being called a princess? Well, no one is, that's why it was your right to report me. Not mad about it. If you want to report this post aswell, feel free.

But so far, your "explanations" are no big help to undestand where you went with your post.

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