EU referendum -UK users

[MikeRox]

Scoobes said:

MikeRox said:

2 completely different scenarios. They're actually opposites.

UK house if lords debate laws proposed by the elected body.

EU MEPs debate laws proposed by the unelected commission.

 

Though again. We through the centuries chose our system. We did not choose the EU structure.

Is this really rocket science to people who don't understand why the EU is falling out of favour with EU citizens?

 

I'm really getting sick of remain's blatent lies, when all they do is accuse leave of lying. Newsflash, both sides are lying.

They're opposite, yet still as undemocratic as each other. Not really an argument either way for me which is why I don't understand it. Two systems, both shit. 

And because it's a system that we chose after centuries makes it better? That's terrible reasoning considering we  helped "choose" the EU structure as much as we chose the current British system. I suppose Saudi Arabia having "chosen" its ruling monarchy means its better than these upstart democracies that keep cropping up?

And yes, both sides are lying and I'm getting fed up of it. 

There are some differences even if you see it as the same thing.

 

The liberal democrats were quite keen on abolishing the lords in 2010.

In a general election we would have the ability to vote in a government that wanted rid of the lords as key manifesto pledge and put it to the people.

You cannot ever have that situation with the EU. And it is worse to have the unelected side dictating the laws. It makes the elected part a rubber stamping exercise.