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sc94597 on 01 June 2016
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Shadow1980 said:
sc94597 said:

While I would place Richard Dawkins in the "militant athiest" group, I wouldn't do the same for Bill Maher or Sam Harris, they have more interests than their athiesm. There are proper reasons to be anti-Islam (albeit not anti-muslim.) It is an illiberal religious ideology, and that is true for those who follow it moderately too.

The same argument could have been made about Christianity in the Middle Ages, what with the Catholic Church's Crusades and Inquisitions. But eventually they "mellowed out" and have rid themselves of violent fanaticism (violent Christian fundamentalism in general is vanishingly rare). There's no reason that Islam cannot itself go through its own Renaissance where the violent militant fundamentalists become persona non grata to the majority of the faith. I tend to believe that religion itself isn't the problem, but rather political authoritarianism perverts religion to its ends. The Soviet Union, especially under Stalin, was just as hypermasculine, anti-homosexual, and otherwise socially regressive as any fundamentalist sect despite their atheism. Democracy, respect for human rights, nominal secularism, political stability, and increased standards of living and economic opportunity are antidotes to violent fanaticism. Turkey has for most of its post-Ottoman history shown that a predominantly Muslim country can be a functional state that eschews the violent authoritarianism that plagues the rest of the region. Iran used to have this prior to the U.S./UK-backed coup in 1954 that installed the Shah, and Tunisia seems like they could be headed towards having a functional, peaceful, democratic society if all goes well. It can be done, but it's going to be a very long, rough process.

Either way, you are wrong about the people against SJW's being solely right winged.

Well, I did say "mostly," not "solely." It does seem that the people who complain about "SJWs" all the time tend to use language and rhetoric that sounds an awful lot like your run-of-the-mill internet right-winger, and generally never have anything nice to say about liberals and usually nothing bad to say about conservatives. Speaking of which...

Also you just aren't looking hard enough then. My favorite anti-SJW is Blaire White, a seemingly apolitical transgender woman who sees faults in third-wave feminism. 

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCDmCBKaKOtOrEqgsL4-3C8Q

I doubt she is in cohoots with the alt-right, and while she sympathizes with MRA's I don't think she describes herself as one (I can be wrong.) 

Well, she certainly doesn't come across as a liberal, and her general language does tend to echo that of right-wing internet movements,and she seems to have a lot of fans on conservative and right-wing blogs. She definitely complains about the "regressive left" a lot. If she's not a right-winger of some kind, that would be surprising as hell. She seems to be one of those oddities whose political and social beliefs (such as her opinions on the "bathroom issue") are totally at odds with who they otherwise are as a person, kinda like how Milo Yiannopoulos makes oddly homophobic comments despite being a gay man himself and generally aligns himself with a movement that thinks he's a degenerate pervert for being attracted to other men.

I am not a Christian. So i do not know if that is suppose to mean something to me. All I know is that many muslims today throw people like me off buildings. Christians today do not. I agree, there is no reason muslims can't pick and choose what to believe like Christians. But we are talking about what they are today, and by and large it they aren't there. We live in liberal politicies. Why would we want to go through the pain of reforming Islam? Let the muslims reform it. A sizable minority of muslims support views of the extremists even if they do not support the extremists themselves. That isn't something I am comfortable with. I am pro-immigration though, and think they should be let into the U.S, but the moment muslims try to implement Sharia law I think there will be a problems.

Many people on the left like Sargon of Akkad (he took the political compass test and landed in the bottom left quadrant) use the terminology "regressive left" to distinguish the SJW's from reasonable liberals. I think he even coined it. I do not see how it is a right-wing term. Also Blaire White seems mostly apolitical to me. She only comments on social issues. Many right wing and left wing people support her because being anti-SJW isn't really a left-right issue. Remind me what her position is on the bathroom issue. If I recall correctly, isn't it if you can pass as a woman use the woman's bathroom and likewise for trans men? If you think people like Milo and Blaire are rare you should meet more LGBT people. 

http://msblairewhite.com/breaking-trans-bathroom-debacle/

Her position is neutral. How is this right-wing?

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The Republican lawmakers on the other hand, seem to think that bathrooms are rape hot spots. If someone is morally bankrupt enough to commit an act of rape or sexual assault, do you really think a caricature of a man or a woman on the door is going to stop someone from entering to act it out? "