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taikamya on 16 May 2016
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Nautilus said:
taikamya said:

Yes, I think she commited it, but it's not a crime. Yes, it's in the law, but again, the law is clear and the pedaladas is not a crime. If we are to judge that the pedaladas are a reason for impeachment, 11 governors and many mayors have to be impeached too. Not just that, but Lula and FHC should had been aswell, so this logical reasioning is anything but logical.

Also, Temer as already been found guilty, Dilma has not. I can say that Temer is corrupt, I cannot say  that about Dilma, I said in my original post, I think she probably is. I cannot and will not judge a person without proof. Cunha has been proven, Renan has, Temer has, Maranhão has, Lula has, Dilma hasn't. Based on the linear logic, I can say she probably is, but I'll hold that claim until it's been proven.

Also, in Brazils defence, we don't have a "best" to strive for. The best would be to end this political system and create a new one. However, who's going to? PMDB? PSDB? PT? If so, no good can come of it.

If thats true, and Im taking your words for it, then yes, those persons, those 11 governors and the other presidents should have suffered impeachment.Just goes to show how low Brazil has come.But thats not a justification for Dilma not to suffer one.I mean, she has commited a crime.But you are going to justify that she should walk away free because others have done the same and suffered nothing?Is the world back to childhood, that when you do something wrong, you could do it just because everyone does?So I mean, by that logic corruption should not be considered a crime, since everyone does it right?.....

Dilma has already been taken away from her job, by a process that is supported by the constitution.Conspiracy theories aside, she was already found guilty of those said crimes, or at the very least has some responsability for those said crimes.There is not probably there.

And really, as a citizen, thats your answer?That you dont have a best to strive for?I mean, I know the situation there is critical to say the least, but if you go on saying things about who is right or wrong, but you go on and basically you admit that you gave up on the country and is fine with the (im sorry for the word) shit that is happening there, I can only feel sorry for you.You dont need to overhaul everything at once.Take baby steps.Fix things one at a time.Things dont change from night to day.From what I read, even if you make all the correct decisions, it is going to take years to fiy Brazil problems, and even then there will still be many work to be done.With your line of thinking, any country would never improve

Nop. The impeachment process was open, they're still judging her. She wasn't found guilty of anything. Yet. They have 180 days to do so, but Dilma have yet not been impeached.

Also, don't take my word for it. Go take a look, make a search. In my original post I throw in some videos that although superficial, have a nice range of information. I'll gladly take back any wrong facts, if there's any.

Back to where it matters, Temer is not the official president yet and the nomimation will happen if Dilma gets impeached, that can happen any day now.

If this is the case, then the situation will not change, not only that but the Temer has already extinguished the CGU which was the organ that investigated corruption in public domains. Not only that, but as off today, 05/16, Temer just said on TV that the LavaJato(car wash, in english) operation cost so much money, they'll cut it in half. The Lava Jato was the operation that was putting corrupt politics in jail. Cunha, Renan and Maranhão have been mentioned in this scandal, as former president Lula also have. So yeah, I'm pretty sure this new government isn't going to fix anything up, in fact, they're ending the corruption battle all at once.

Brazil need at least 40 years with good presidents, to at least get back on track and I don't see that happening. Brazil had 388 years of slavery, from 1500 to 1888. Brazil has a 28 year old democracy, and as I stated in my original post, most of the politicians that were in power in the military dictatorship are still in office within PMDB. Most famous one is Maluf who is even a wanted criminal at the Interpol website and Sarney. Not just that but the last impeached president, Collor, is a senator! Brazil politics borders the absurd. As I said in my original post, I could go on to write another 50 absurd facts about Brazil politics, but its not needed.

This is how absurd it gets.