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IFireflyl said:

This was a well written post, and I'm going to debate a couple of points with you.

1) Apple has a fully functioning eco-system. Fine. I'll give you that. Apple OS X and Apple iOS are not the same thing. They're two different frameworks, and they don't even look the same. Apple didn't design Apple OS X from their iOS. They were two separate entities, and they still are. Here is what you maybe were referring to though: Apple kept parts of the two OSs that worked together, and they replaced what didn't work together. Even though these are two different looks/styles of OS, they feel like the same thing. Microsoft didn't do that. They replaced Windows 7 with a mobile OS, in it's entirety. There was no Start Menu. They replaced it with "Live Tiles" crap. I don't like looking through all of those tiles, and I don't like the sort that they did of the applications from there.

2) They didn't do just one thing. They did a lot of things that maybe you didn't notice because quite a few things changed (though not all) in Windows 8.1. Allowing you to boot to desktop, easy to find Power button in the start menu, and smaller storage use to name a few things. There are other things that are still there, like the charm bar that was a nuisance if you go to the side of the screen, downloaded applications that run in full screen (e.g. can't be windowed), etc. There are a ton of things that Microsoft did with the look and feel that just shouldn't have been messed with. Windows 10 looks to be what Windows 8 should have been, but I won't know until I try it.

1) That's kind of what I meant.  As a Macbook, iPhone and iPad user I enjoy having my contacts, web history, music and other stuff share among all my devices. However, I didn't say that MS did that with Win8 but rather that currently that is what MS is trying to achieve with Windows 10 (in an even deeper level). What I said about Win8 was that it was a "step in this direction", although an incomplete one. My guess is that probably Windows 10 unification concept was already present even before Win8 came out given that it's a big project that involves many different divisions. About the Lives Tiles, yeah that menu is useless as can be on a PC but I never use it. Just put a nice color to it, organize the apps in a way you like how it looks and you won't mind at all.

2) I'm stuck with win8 enterprise which is basically the worst version of Windows 8 since upgrading to 8.1 is a pain in the ass lol so I know the pain. However, IIRC you said you're using Win8 in a laptop. Well, turns out my father has Windows 8.1 in his laptop and whenever he wants me to check something out I accidentally open the sidebar with the laptop's touchpad so I'm guessing that's what bugs you the most. About the fullscreen apps, yeah I hate them too but you can find your way around it most of the time. For example, there's a desktop version of Skype so you can just avoid the Windows App. You can listen to music on a music player that you like or you find useful (I use iTunes since I find it convenient as an Apple User), and so on. 

 

I think that in the end we agree more than we though. I agree with most of your arguments and it seems you agree with what I was actually trying to say (but maybe I wasn't able to express properly). Yay for general agreement!