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MegaManX on 20 August 2014
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TheBlackNaruto said:
MegaManX said:
 

Firstly, no he did rob the store, it was a $50 box of cigars, but that value of the item does not matter.  The video confirms it was him, he clearly is not joking around with the owner by pushing him back and he is clearly intimidating him before walking out of the store.  I don't know why you are bothering to dispute a video of the incident, we know it happened so let's move on.  The cop not knowing about the incident doesn't matter because the friend admitted they were illegally walking down the street, so the cop had cause to address MB.  

And like you say, he assaulted the cop, probably grabbed the gun, injured the officers eye socket so we know he was assaulted by MB.  Even if he ran, the cop has to give chase, you do realize that right?  He has just committed several felonies at that point so the cop has even more cause to arrest MB, and as you say if MB confronted the officer than he was resisting arrest.  You are making the case for me here.  He assaulted the cop, ran, cop gave chase, we don't know exactly what happened but as you say if he rushed the cop, what do you think is going to happened, if MB grabs the gun what do you think will happen to the cop?  So like you say he fires to subdue him, the first 4 shots hit him in the right arm.  Then like I say, how does a big guy with adrenaline flowing react to 4 shots in a few seconds, does that instantly subdue him or does he not feel the bullets and keeps charging or does feel it and slumps over into another bullet that wasn't aimed for his head?

And really come on, you think he should have let the suspect go and got back in his car, and done what?  Wait for a cop, he pursued the suspect like every other cop every other time who is physically able to does, you say he should have tazed him, do you know if that is standard gear for cops in Ferguson, do you know how they work and how much time he had when they caught up to each other to use it if he had it and keep himself alive.  You would think the sight of the gun and the cop telling you to freeze and get down would be smart enough to listen, but I guess for you, a cop has to always use non lethal means even if the circumstances may not give the cop enough time to react?

Again like I said maybe he did rob the store(well did) BUT that had NOTHING do do with the shooting at all none the less. And I never said he did not have reason to address Brown because they were indeed illegally walking down the street. Also the cop being injured I still have my questions about because he left the scene of the crime before hand and that info somehow was not giving until almost a week later but all that was said is that there was an "altercation" in the cops car and the part about Brown rushing him was already released. So if the story really went as the cop said why did he leave the scence before hand? Why not wait for backup and the paramedics to arrive and get checked right then and there?   So again the question remains how did the altercation begin? How did Brown end up  inside the police car through a window to where he was "supposedly" reaching for the cops gun in the first place? And yes when shots are fired the cop is supposed to call in for back up IMMEDIATELY. The cop KNEW he shot Brown so he knew that Brown was already injured. And yes in Ferguson the police have tazers and pepper spray standard I live in the area. The "pursuit" didn't even leave the street they were on not even a block or two.

Whenever shots are fired a cop is supposed to ALWAYS call for back up. Yet this officer did not and he was not shot at he was the one that did the shooting. And yes if the office feared for his life the way he said then he would not have began pursuit in the first place he would again called for back up or called for back up THEN began pursuit.. And yeah for me agetting down and  freezing would be natural and smart. And Brown was indeed facing the officer when shot but that does not mean he was rushing him. If the officer had time to pursue a wounded suspect, time to tell him to freeze and all fo that then yes he had time to do something outside of shooting him.

But this is all just speculation on both our parts. I do not want you to think I am just defending on side because the cop could very well be telling the truth about what happened or maybe some facts are incoorect on both sides. But what remains for me is that the actions of the cop led to the loss of a life and the cop could have done thing sdifferently. Can't chng ewhat has alredy happened but it seems things were done the incorrect way in this matter and the loss of a life is never a good thing.

I understand, I think to many people assume an unarmed man, even a 6'4 300 pound unarmed man, poses a laughable threat to a cop.  MB was a big guy, if the officer was within an arms reach of him, than literally anything can happen, a gun can be wrestled, a choke hold could be put on the cop, we know MB friend lied about what happened but he could have been a threat to the cop as well, you only have an advantage with a gun when a threat is several arm lenghts away.  

And like you said, we don't know what happened at the critical point, but we do know that MB had done things leading up to this and we probably will never know exactly what happened and who was at fault.  Therefore the riots and all that BS it totally unwarranted as all the facts haven't come out yet, we haven't even heard the officers side of the story, and the rioting only hurts the people of Ferguson, many businesses will leave, taxes will go up to pay for all the manpower and the town will have reputation for a long time.  

But a few on here think that cops should only unholster their gun when they are getting shot at.  And that's stupid, just the sight of a gun drawn on your should seperate the smart from the foolish, and we can't say whether MB was rushing the cop or not, but the evidence contradicts the friend so I feel like if it were unjustified that friend and the evidence so far would support that the cop acted unethically.