FF13 Sucks... here's why.

[TornadoCreator]

brendude13 said:

TornadoCreator said:

No-ones tastes can ever be wrong. Hell, if anything FFXIII should have an easy time convincing me as it works alongside my biases. I'm perfectly prepared to admit, honestly FFX is kinda crappy, for many of the same reasons the FFXIII is... however it does enough right that I'm willing to overlook it's shortcomings and really enjoy it. I've completed it at least 4 times now and when the HD collection gets here on Vita, I'll do it again. Hell, I'll probably play through FFX-2 again too (and that's really stretching).

The problem I have, is while I'm happy to admit that FFX is a 4/10 game that I enjoy despite it's flaws, I consider FFXIII a 2/10 game with little to redeem it, even to fans of the franchise, style, and genre... which includes me. Look at me, my all time favourite game is FFVIII; I'm the target audience for this game. If I don't like it, it's a failure.

Now, if you like it great. You've found joy in something that objectively isn't very good... and I'm happy for you. I enjoy terrible b-movies, me and two of my friends have regular pizza nights where we watch such things. Low production horror and 80's action. Films that are objectively bad, but we enjoy them in ways that are not the original intention of the creator and so find fun in something that should be considered awful by everyone.

Admitting that your tastes and biases change your ability to judge quality, and cause you to both underrate AND overrate things, and to make the effort to learn to assess objective quality seperately to your own subjective tastes is a sign of mental maturity. It shows that you're in control of your ego. It's a good thing to achieve.

99% of gamers and gaming journalists would not agree that Final Fantasy X is objectively a 4/10 game.

I enjoyed Final Fantasy XIII exactly how the developers intended me to.

Declaring your opinion as definitive and saying that only you are capable of assessing objective quality is a display of modesty and maturity? Boy, now I'm confused.

99% of gamers and gaming journalists seem to think a 7.5/10 is "average" and rage when games "only" get an 8/10.

I'm NOT declaring my opinion as definitive. I LIKE FFX and would personally consider it a great game, probably worthy of a 7/10 maybe more; for me personally. Objectively however it's a below average JRPG with poor pacing, and restrictive design elements therefore it's a 4/10. If 5/10 is average, it is a 4/10 game. Done!

For me personally FFVIII is an easy 10/10, and a game that defined my teen years. I love it... but it's not worth that objectively and I bloody well know it.

Read my bloody posts. Listen to what I'm saying. How many people are going to claim the same crap, that I'm "declaring my opinion as objective", when I'm clearly not. They're clearly different. Either you're all willfully ignorant, lying, or profoundly stupid. Have some integrity and stop misrepresenting my position.

Edit: Also, I'm not the only person capable of assessing objective quality. Others in this very thread have demonstrated the exact same capabilities and share my assessment of the game. FFXIII isn't even debatable. It's clearly a bad game and anyone with even basic critiquing skill can see that. The challenge is with games that are far more nuanced; where the methods and styles of play are more subjective and harder to pinpoint. For example Saint's Row: The Third, Demon's Souls, Assassin's Creed or most of the games of the Legend Of Zelda series. Regardless of what you think of them, it's far more involved to judge them. Judging FFXIII is babies first critique and if you can't see that it's awful I genuinely not know how to relay that information to you... you simply don't understand the fundamentals of autuer theory.

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