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Bong Lover said:

Any position should be argued against, I am only trying to bring into the discussion what I feel is a more accurate understanding of religious questions. Sure, some people take the bible at face value, and they are easy to attack on that stance with verifiable scientific proof. However, the true nature of religion is not discussed in those terms. Religion comes into play when you ask yourself: If the universe is mechanical, do I really have free will? The consequences of that question are far reaching of course, and again, not verifiable by science.

If you feeel better proving that there is no giant magic man physically living in the sky behind the clouds, then sure, go ahead, disprove this all day long. It doesn't do anything to prove or disprove religion however. That is my only point. At the core of it, when someone argues that God is real, they are really arguing that morals are dictated by a universal law that we can't know and observe, and not just some arbitary combination of atoms. That some people claim to think they know that being gay is wrong or that wearing a condom is a sin is another matter all together, and I must admit, not very interesting to me personally.

A solid point......kind of gets at the prevalent use of straw-men in religious debates.