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Kenology said:
ryuzaki57 said:
Kenology said:
ryuzaki57 said:
Because Nintendo 1st party games are already choking 3rd parties' business on 3DS. Look at Professor Layton vs. Ace Attorney...

Yeah, cherrypick one title and ignore all the other 3rd party games that put up decent numbers in 2012.  And PLvAA has only been out for one week and outsold Animal Crossing (1).  You're just spewing garbage, ryuzaki.

(1) Not sure I follow. Animal Crossing opened at something like 600k, it's now 1m+. Layton achieved a mere 130K. it can't just be series fatigue. You talk about decent numbers but Kingdom Hearts is 300Kish in Japan when KH Birth by Sleep was at 700k week 4. Resident Evil Revelations is under 300k while Racoon City is 350k and RE6 800k+ (with Revelations getting far better feedback). Project X Zone is still near 120k... I don't see much good news for 3rd parties on 3DS. Only SquareEnix and Capcom seem to do OK.

Ok, let me help you:

Nintendo's own software is powerful indeed but it's in no way choking the life out of 3rd party games at all.  PLvsAA sold a mere 130k it's first week but I think it's Layton is holding PLvsAA back.  We'll know soon enough once the next AA5 releases. The most plausible explanation is series fatigue and isn't attributable to Nintendo's software "choking" it like you said.  Your Resident Evil comparison isn't a good example.  The RE franchise is the opposite of MoHun, where iterations perform better on handheld than on console and vise-versa.  Same thing for the DS and Vita Call of Duty games, they perform much better on console than handheld.  LBP is another example.  The PS3 had a bunch of Resident Evil games and the base is already there.  The 3DS had a spinoff and then a main line game.  Sales increased from Mercenaries to Revelations, and comparing a console RE to a handheld RE isn't really helping you.  Just because 3rd party games don't meet your arbitrary standards doesn't mean they were bad investments.  Marvelous went on record saying Rune Factory 4 was the highest selling game in the series at just 150k units.  What about Namco's Run for your Money game that had the single biggest increase week over week increase we've ever seen on the charts?  Leaving the top 50 and then bouncing back into the top 20 with like a 200%+ increase.  What about Medarot 7?  Little Battlers eXperience?  And also, you kind of invalidate your argument by moving the goalposts and exempting Capcom and SquareEnix - that definitely wouldn't have looked good for you...  :)

Also, if 3rd parties are in such a bad position on the 3DS, why is it getting all the AAA games?  Why was a new DQ remake announced and dated?  Why was SMT4 announced for the 3DS?  Why all this support then?  I'm not sure I follow...

Well now YOU cherrypick Rune Factory 4 to defend your thesis after giving lame excuses for RE. Marvelous support 3DS so much that they shifted Senran Kagura to Vita even though it was doing so good. And 150k was quite achievable on Vita too btw.

And what are those games you mention? (Run for Money, Medarot!!????) Do people know about those? I'm telling you about established games/franchises, not some radom casual games that non-gamers buy on a whim. If 3rd parties succeed with such... let's say unexpected software I'm perfectly fine with this. But it's gonna be DS/Wii all over again, where playstation platforms eventually get most of the big titles.

Also, Capcom and SquareEnix aren't the subject here because if Nintendo hadn't struck some shady deal to get MH and DQ, 3DS would be behind Vita. Those games would sell on any system.