Mr Khan said:
Kasz216 said:
Veknoid_Outcast said:
Kasz216 said:
maximrace said:
I think they deserve their own state. The jews took away the palestines their land and made their own country on it. Now they act like it is their right to murder the palestines and so on. Letting this happen was one of the biggest mistakes the west ever made. Anyone who supports israel on this one is just a fool and should take some history lessons. |
That's... not remotely what happened... that's silly. If anyone needs a history lesson it's you.
First off... if anybody took the Palestinian's land it was the UK. Who took it from the Ottomans... who took it from the Malmulak Egptians (non arabs), who took it from the Kurds, who i beleive took it from the Crusaders?
Either way, the UK negotiated with the Palestinian leadership of the time to let Jewish people move in, in exchange for well... development. Since the Jewish people moving in were rich, were paying for the land they settled in and were building up the local economy.
The arabs backtracked on the deal, largely because the UK screwed the arabs.
See... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faisal%E2%80%93Weizmann_Agreement
Then the UK, taking soverignty from the Palestinians allowed Jewish people to BUY land from the Palestinians. Not steal it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_land_purchase_in_Palestine
UN plan made, Palestinians disagreed, wars happened, the arabs lost and lost a lot of land that way... and here we are.0
If you blame anybody. You don't blame the Jews. You blame the UK and the greedy palestinian elite, who sold land to make a quick buck. (Many of which are major figures or the fathers of major figures in Palestine.) All the jews did was buy unincorporated land that people were willing to sell to them after the foreign purchase laws were removed.
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This doesn't paint a full picture of history. You have to account for the Zionist movement, for the civil war in 1947-1948, and for the war in 1948 (and resulting exodus). It's not true that Arabs living in what is now Israel/Palestine suffered only because of British mandatory powers, and their own corrupt leadership.
Not by a long shot.
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The 1947-1948 war was started by the same aforementioned corrupt arab leadership.
While the Zionist movement... was mostly them purchasing land, and lobbying for the ability to purchase land and immigrate there.
So... I'm not understanding your points here.
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He's probably referring to the Stern Gang and their terrorist activities in the area previously.
Edit: weird. Wiki said the Stern Gang allied with the Axis Powers during World War II.
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Not really. You've got to keep in mind that Holocaust was a surprisingly well kept secret. For the early parts of WW2 nobody outside of the Axis Powers and the higher ups of Allied leaders knew of it.
The allies not disseminating said information one would assume because it would kind of force specific targets that wouldn't really help the war effort as much.
Most likely the Stern Gang thought they were planning to ship jews outwords, and he could basically convince Hitler that Jersualem was the perfect dumping grounds for all the unwanted Europeon Jews. Worked perfectly. The Germans would get what they see as the perfect "Trash dump" while he would get his Jewish State by manipulating Germany's anti-semitism.
As for them though. From what I rememeber... they were an extremely small terrorist group with a couple large attacks that never saw large support, and didn't accomplish anything except turning public sentiment against them... and were ultimatly disbanded when Israel declared them terrorists and took them out.
