UN Upgrades Palestine to Non-Member Observer State

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Kasz216 said:

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maximrace said:
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That's... not remotely what happened... that's silly.  If anyone needs a history lesson it's  you.

First off... if anybody took the Palestinian's land it was the UK.  Who took it from the Ottomans... who took it from the Malmulak Egptians (non arabs), who took it from the Kurds, who i beleive took it from the Crusaders?

Either way, the UK negotiated with the Palestinian leadership of the time to let Jewish people move in, in exchange for well... development.  Since the Jewish people moving in were rich, were paying for the land they settled in and were building up the local economy.

The arabs backtracked on the deal, largely because the UK screwed the arabs.

See... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faisal%E2%80%93Weizmann_Agreement

Then the UK, taking soverignty from the Palestinians allowed Jewish people to BUY land from the Palestinians.  Not steal it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_land_purchase_in_Palestine

UN plan made, Palestinians disagreed, wars happened, the arabs lost and lost a lot of land that way... and here we are.0

 

If you blame anybody.  You don't blame the Jews.  You blame the UK and the greedy palestinian elite, who sold land to make a quick buck. (Many of which are major figures or the fathers of major figures in Palestine.)  All the jews did was buy unincorporated land that people were willing to sell to them after the foreign purchase laws were removed.

This doesn't paint a full picture of history. You have to account for the Zionist movement, for the civil war in 1947-1948, and for the war in 1948 (and resulting exodus). It's not true that Arabs living in what is now Israel/Palestine suffered only because of British mandatory powers, and their own corrupt leadership.

Not by a long shot.

The 1947-1948 war was started by the same aforementioned corrupt arab leadership.

While the Zionist movement... was mostly them purchasing land, and lobbying for the ability to purchase land and immigrate there.

So... I'm not understanding your points here.

My point is that Zionism wasn't entirely non-violent, that some Jewish settlers and militiamen carried out awful things during that war -- Deir Yassin being the most infamous but hardly the only -- and that Israel, after declaring its independence, forcibly evicted Arabs from their homes, bulldozed entire neighborhoods, and made a conscious effort to "cleanse" Palestine/Israel of ethnic Arabs.