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thismeintiel on 14 April 2012
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d21lewis said:
thismeintiel said:

 Unfortunately, in this case, I'm not sure the police did do their job.  I've done a "hold for investigation" for 72 hours with a lot less than what they had to go on.  We don't know what the police had.  We don't know what photos were taken, what forensics were done, what blood spatter was recorded, etc.  All we know is the tainted picture painted by the media.  I do know from experience that, if there's a dead body, the investigation has to be REALLY thorough.  I've had investigators tell me to drop a case because the odds were against me winning in court and I still pursued them because I felt I was right.  I've never had one fall apart on me (usually because the offender pled guilty).  Maybe the arresting officer (and I did actually look at the police report--he did have charges that would have stuck had he pursued them) didn't have the balls to stick to his guns.  Also, the media reports that it WAS NOT Zimmerman yelling for help on the audio: http://newsfeed.time.com/2012/04/02/forensics-experts-zimmerman-was-not-screaming-for-help-in-911-call/

I just took out myoriginal post so I wouldn't have such a long post.  You are right that we don't know all of the evidence the police have, but I do know it was wasn't enough for the original prosecutor to think he could press any charges against Zimmerman.  Either way, we will get to know all the evidence when this goes to court.  And you may want to read up on those "experts."  The police already asked Trayvon's father if the voice on the 911 call was Trayvon's and he said no.  Trayvon's brother said he wasn't sure whose voice it was in an interview.  We apparently have 2 eye witnesses that have stated it was Zimmerman calling for help.  It was only recently that Trayvon's mom has said it is definitely Trayvon calling for help.

As for the media, from what I've read, they had no interest in this story.  It wasn't until over a week had passed and some major network got ahold of the story because the family wouldn't just let the story die on Florida's local news networks.  When it hit the mainstream, things went into overdrive.  They painted the picture of a babyface Martin just like you said.  I still don't know how big Martin and Zimmerman were.  Their height and weight seem to fluctuate every day!  NBC edited a 911 phone call, CNN was running that "Fucking coon" (Who the hell says "Coon" in this day and age?).  And made varying remarks about the existence/nonexistence of a head wound.  I'm sure that, if there was a wound on Zimmerman, there's a ton of documentation.  We just have to wait until court.  Zimmerman was reported to have had a broken nose and other injuries, too.  We'll see.

I have heard varying stats on the two, as well.  However, the police reports say that Trayvon was 6'0" and 160 lbs. at the time of his death.  At his booking, Zimmerman was 5'8" and 185 lbs.  So it looks like Zimmerman had 25 lbs. on Trayvon, while Trayvon had 4" on Zimmerman.  I did find an enhanced pic of Zimmerman's wound.

I learned a long time ago not to fully trust the media.  Simple things like editing a picture to make people look more sinister and jumping to false conclusions (Duke Lacrosse Team) have ruined my view of them.  Somewhere between Zimmerman's story, Trayvon's dead body, the police investigation, and the eye witness accounts is the truth.  Zimmerman didn't wake up and say, "I'm gonna kill me a black guy." and then found a sweet and innocent Trayvon and decide to kill him.  Trayvon Martin didn't say, "Why is this guy following me from the store.  I'm going to kill him!" and then just assault Zimmerman.  We just don't know what happened.  We just have these two guys--neither have ever been charged but both have skeletons in their closet--of different races and one guy killed the other.  The only evidence I believe beyond a shadow of a doubt at this point is the unedited 911 tapes.  It's Zimmerman's words, and nothing else, that make me feel he's at fault here.  Glad I never had to work a case like this one!!

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Lol, I'm surprised we didn't see this pic circulating at first.

As far as the 911 call goes, after listening to it again it's obvious to me that Zimmerman stopped following Trayvon when he was told to.  He no longer sounds out of breath.  It's also obvious to me that in the 1:57 between Trayvon beginning to run and Zimmerman ending his 911 call, Trayvon could have made it to the house he was staying at and been inside.  This is a very interesting read.