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theprof00 on 20 January 2012
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RolStoppable said:
theprof00 said:

And yet the lack of games is something you agree that is killing the wii.

You think 360 and ps3 keep growing yoy because of one game? If that was true, it would be the same for wii, which it isn't.

But I do commend you for your ability to cherry pick muramasa and LKS as being counter-points, when my point was that the wii didn't have enough variety of those types of games to completely sustain a specific demographic. This is why I said, a guy into racers could subsist completely on 360 or ps3, because there are so many, with such different styles, and wii really only has one type. I never said vanillaware games sold well on other systems. I brought up muramasa as beign an example that wii does have other games, just not enough of them to suit a specific demographic solely.

I also never said that the HD twins "excel" at platformers. I said a fan of platformers could subsist entirely off of what's available on them. When I said "none of those genres on wii are capable of supporting one demographic, I didn't mean platformers. It was misworded. But again, congrats on using that ONE aspect of my point to prove me wrong. Obviously, had I left that part out, you'd still find something to say, right?

Not sure how your first two paragraphs are relevant here, I can't follow your leaps of logic.

I didn't cherrypick games, I responded to your examples. Your point in that specific paragraph wasn't about variety, it was about portraying Nintendo gamers as superficial who only care for Mario and Zelda. The point about variety was made in a separate paragraph which I didn't include in my previous post.

And really, a fan of platformers absolutely needs a Wii, otherwise he really isn't a fan of the genre.

As for finding something to disagree with you, it really isn't hard. There was also the glaring mistake to call NSMB a remake of SMB and, of course, saying that the Wii only really has Mario when it comes to platformers. Comments like these are sure signs that somebody doesn't know what he is talking about. Sounds harsh, but it's the truth.

All I'm saying is that based on the buying trends of the games and genres available, it appears that the traditional-core gamer userbase is roughly 8m+. I showed some examples of why I think that is true, based on the fact that for traditional gamers, there is really only mario and platformers. Nintendo can only really deliver to one demographic, and even then, there's only like ONE of each franchise installment therein. They really don't do much to help out. What's harsh but true is the near nonexistence of genres outside of platforming on the wii, in terms of traditional core gaming.

Based on the fact that the platform gamer only gets one installment of a franchise platform, and then must buy a different franchise, and how all the platformers tend to have the same sales, along with zelda. It's not hard to see the correlation in their sales. Wii has lots of overlap. That has to do with the fact that they haven't put out a sequel to anything besides galaxy and zelda in 5 whole years.

Seeing as how this was the point of my argument in the first place, and how you are denouncing the entire argument, please, find fault with it aside from  correctly pointing out that NSMB is actually a SM3/SMW remake.