What is your honest opinion on the Forza Franchise? Compeditor to GT?

[sales2099]

CGI-Quality said:

coolbeans said:

CGI-Quality said:

coolbeans said:

CGI-Quality said:

sales2099 said:

Dr.Grass said:

Jay520 said:
LOL, why did you bring this thread back to life?

Because GT5's graphics blow Forza out of the water.

Graphics? thats about the ONLY thing GT5 excells over Forza. The gap is small actually, especially with forza 4.

 

but overall, if release frequency and scores are anything to go by.....GT has clearly been knocked out of being the best of what it does

Dissecting the actual words of reviewers, they don't seem to agree.

And despite it's 84 Meta score, most in the industry would tell you that Forza isn't on GT's level (the same way Resistance nor Killzone are on Halo's level).

Not exactly a fair comparison when only one game out of those two Sony series' mentioned have been on "Halo's level" (if talking main iterations of Halo) : Killzone 2 with a 91 meta.

That's precisely my point, neither franchise is on Halo's level, regardless of Meta scores. That's the same situation with Forza and GT, but flipped.

I'm just trying to point out your point is seems moot anyway.  Whether either of those series are on or above Halo's level is subjective to the gamer playing those games. 

I don't see how you can have "Meta score" and "most of the industry" in the sentence contradicting each other.  With the two this-gen Forza games receiving a 90, 92 average on metacritic and the none of the GT's released this gen getting above an 84 meta, you'll have to define what you mean by "GT's level".  With numbers like that, you'll really need to pull some quotes in order to prove most of the industry's stance on the recent releases in the GT series.  If anything, I see Dirt and Forza mentioned more, as of late.

Well, that last sentence is a little contradictory (hard to argue against anecdote when you present some yourself)

Regardless, my view is simple (which I don't know if you've been reading, but I said this ages ago); Forza doesn't have the industry image that GT does. Not the same expectations, brand name, selling power (again, complimenting my point regarding Halo vs Killzone - or even better: CoD vs any other FPS on the market). I didn't say that can't ever change, but that's not how things are right now. If we use "the numbers", the reviewers themselves say GT is still better at what it seeks to do; be the industry's leading driving simulator for consoles, despite Forza being the better "modern racing game". We can even use your stance, I guess Uncharted has now surpassed Gears (in the eyes of "the numbers"), correct? Hell, Halo 3 must be better than Halo: Reach, as the numbers prove that, right? In fact, in Halo: Reach's case, many of the reviews that call it better than Halo 3 still graded it lower. I know, the situations are a little different, but are key when judging reviewers (especially as of late).

In the end, I just don't think these Meta scores are enough to guarantee a sure-fire shift in market position. Yes, Forza has scored higher than the most recent GT titles (and I can see why in many areas), but what difference has that made? Listening to actual driving/racing enthusiasts tells you where GT stands in the industry and it doesn't seem like Metacritic has impacted that stance in any substantial way.

So your saying Forza doesnt have the sales of the GT series yet. Granted but every Forza sells more then the last, bundles or not while GT5 seems to be on the decline more or less with the series track record. 

Just saying though....that being the better sim doesnt mean much when its lacking in being a video game......cause thats what it is no matter how you slice it.

Its a driving simulator video game.

Now Forza succeeds in being a great (maybe not the best) sim but also a excellent video game. Add to that it comes out every 2 years vs 5 years for GT5. 

With uncharted and gears, Halo 3 vs Reach..........your comparing games all in their 90's on metacritic. lol it doesnt matter what they are so long as they are above 90. GT5 vs forza however is another story as one is AA where as one is AAA. A much better basis to say one is clearly above the other. 

Its overall the poor time span in between releases thats hurting GT the most. 5 years per game while Turn 10 keeps cranking out new 90+ forzas every 2 years. Eventually the fans are gonna get tired of waiting when theres a perfectly overall better package on the 360 that doesnt keep their fans waiting for great sims with boring video game aspects.