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@radiantshadow i agree with your driver's seat thing, but i think gamers who dont game on Wii are in a pretty good place. 360 gets great 3rd party support and the 3rd parties are doing much better with the PS3 and Sony 1st party is something to behold, if I may id say ive only ever seen the Wii owners complain, not flamebaiting but ive seen more "why this HD game not on Wii" thread than i have seen vice versa. Hell there starting to go for the PSP now!! (Soul Calibur, SplitSecond)