rocketpig said:
Mendicate Bias said:
rocketpig said:
Mendicate Bias said:
There is just as much a consensus in the scientific community that the current climate change is man made as there is that evolution is true.
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While I agree with several of your other points, this is patently untrue. Evolution has been proven in almost every way except actually witnessing it because of the immense amount of time required to do so.
Climate change is a relatively new subject and the actual recorded data acquired thus far (much less than the 160 or so years we've been working on evolution) pales in comparison.
And I'm not just talking out of my ass here. My best friend is a geology student and we've had lengthy talks about this very subject, on top of some of the journals and articles I've read on the subject. There is A TON of information we don't know about climate change and one of the most important factors is "how much is caused by man?" When that's still a pressing question, comparing it to evolution is folly.
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What I agree on is we can't predict accurately exactly what the effects of climate change will be, but we can clearly see that it is happening. We have far more than 160 years of data. Using the ice cores in Greenland, the Arctic and Antarctic we have hundreds of thousands of years of data. Yes all the doom and gloom reports are probably over exaggerated, but the overall consensus is the same, no matter what happens in the future what is happening now is man made.
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Of course there's a lot of data, as there was in the early days of evolution, too. The problem is that we don't understand enough of it, just as we didn't understand the data we were collecting in the early days of evolution study. The fact that the Earth naturally changes temperature throws an ENORMOUS monkey wrench in the entire study.
Will we figure it out over time? Sure, I think so. Should we invest more money into unbiased research? Definitely. Whether it's man made or not or whatever mixture in between, we need to find out why this is happening and what the effects will be longterm for mankind.
But at this point, very little has been proven concretely past "the Earth is warming; how much, we're not really sure". That's not the same stage we're at with evolution.
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Yeah, not to mention a lot of the data has a LOT of flaws. Really the only concrete data we do have is the Sattelite data that's been collected for the last 10-15 years.
Stuff like weatherstation monitoring has problems due to the effects of urban sprawl and the fact that different weatherstation's data are left out of the reports at different times.
The Ice cores have their own issues... of which I forget.
Not to mention that.... climate change existed before man existed.
Really what should be looked into are external controls, but nobody wants to do that.
Everyone's afraid of Geoengineering when in reality it's the best and safest choice.
