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Two things we need to consider for the Sony market are:

American market may be reduced, because of income US economic problems ( Sony and Nintendo go down in the last report)

Japan and some East Asia market decreased because of Nintendo's dominance in this region. 



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IcaroRibeiro said:
Kakadu18 said:

Bold: That's not true. Some of the most often discounted games in Europe are Mario Kart 8 Deluxe, Super Mario Party and NSMBUDX. The only games that absolutely never ever go on sale are mainline Pokémon games and Animal Crossing: New Horizons.

A few times per year around half a dozen to a dozen first party games are discounted and it's always a mixture of big and small sellers. Luigi's Mansion 3, Super Mario Odyssey and Splatoon 2 have also gone on sale quite often. I've also gotten Smash Ultimate on sale. I think only BotW has gone on sale only once when they showed the sequel at E3 2021.

Well I can only speak about Brazil. Splatoon and Mario Odyssey go on sales, but I don't remember about Marik Mart

Zelda was discounted once or twice, I remember. But the games that get discounts more frequently (generally on holidays or discount weeks) are the ones like Pokemon Let's Go, Link's Awakening, Captain Toad and Donkey Kong tropical Freeze 

And even when they are discounted they are still 25-33% of a monthly wage (for minimum pay).



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

IcaroRibeiro said:
The_Liquid_Laser said:

Your view assumes that everyone else's gaming habits are like yours.  I.e. if a person doesn't buy games at release, but they do buy a lot of games, then PS5 is cheaper than Switch.  What you are describing is actually niche behavior.  It is possible for a person to pay less on PS5 than Switch and play the same amount of games.  However, most of the time Switch is cheaper than PS5 even when taking all expenses into account and not just hardware.

-If a person buys hardware and only a few games, then Switch is cheaper.
-If a person mostly buys new releases, then Switch is cheaper, because PS5 new releases are $70 vs. $60 for Switch.  (Keep in mind that for most games the majority of sales happen during the first couple of months when the game is at full price.)
-If a person gets an online subscription and mostly plays games via that (either online multiplayer games or games free with the subscription), then PS5 is more expensive, because the subscription is a lot more expensive.
-If a person wants a system where they play games with friends, then they can potentially save a ton of money on Switch, because local multiplayer games like Mario Kart and Smash Bros only require one system, while popular multiplayer games on PS5 are online and require both multiple systems and a subscription.

-If we go by your scenario, where a person buys a ton of games, but waits a while to buy software trying to save as much money as possible, then PS5 is sometimes cheaper, but often Switch is still cheaper.  It is based on several factors though like
1) Which hardware is bought: $400/$500 for PS5 vs $200/$300/$350 for Switch
2) How many games are bought.  If a person saves $10 on average per PS5 game, then it takes 5 games for the systems to cost the same in the best case ($350 vs. $400) and it takes 30 games to break even in the worst case ($200 vs $500).  All of this assumes you are only playing single-player offline games.
3) People can borrow and share games with their friends, and especially do this if they are frugal.
4) PS5 games are more likely to have in game purchases.

It should be obvious at first that PS5 is more expensive than Switch (more expensive hardware and games), and on deeper investigation PS5 is still more expensive than Switch.  This notion that PS5 is cheaper is a niche scenario, and it distracts from the larger point: Playstation is no longer the system that it used to be.  PS1 and PS2 were affordable systems where you could play the latest Japanese games, including Japanese games made by Sony themselves.  Today the system that fits this role is the Switch.  Not only is it a cheaper system, but about 90% of the games sold in Japan today are on the Switch, while Sony has closed down its Japanese studio.  Switch is the affordable system for Japanese games.  Switch is filling the role that PS1 and PS2 originally filled. 

The major loophole in your reasoning is that anybody actually needs to wait software prices to go down on Playstation, when in reality they don't. Most of people don't buy hardware at launch, they buy on the second half of their life. At this point Playstation already has a extensive library with games well behind 30 USD and often getting discounts to be bought for even less than 20. You don't even need to purchase much more than 6 games for Playstation starting be a more compelling option 

I also wonder if you are aware subscription services from Playstation give you free two to three games monthly for only 5 USD a month. I'm talking about AAA games from big publishers, not ports of fifth gen. 

But that's tangential. The reason why Playstation 4 and 5 are the successors of Playstation 1 and 2 lies on its gaming library. The only Japanese third parties that sold more than 2 million copies that aren't present on Playstation ecosystem are: Monster Hunter Rise and Ocopath Travaler

If you like JP games, Playstation is the path. Otherwise buy an Xbox, it's less expensive have Game Pass and get all western third parties as well

The succes of Switch is due to their absurdly strong first party line up that stretches to a point they will have a mind-blowing number of over 20 games selling over 10 million copies 

Your next argument is "Yes, but Nintendo games are JP games too, mostly"

Sure, they are. But one doesn't need to think much to realize Nintendo games were never on Playstation hardware. So whoever wanted to play Nintendo should have bought Nintendo. This was true in the 90s during the peak of Playstation crazy and this is true now. 

My next argument is actually, "What Japanese games are on Switch that weren't on N64 and Gamecube?"

A lot.  You already mentioned MH and Asano games.  There is also Dragon Quest, Atelier, Trails, Valkria Chronicles and a load of other games that used to be Playstation exclusive.  There will soon be Persona and Nier.  On top of that, the most popular musou game is Hyrule Warriors, even though this series started on Playstation.  Xenogears and Xenosaga were on Playstation, but Xenoblade is on Switch.  This is on top of the new Nintendo games that Nintendo has created/acquired since the N64/Gamecube days like Splatoon 3 and Bayonetta and Switch Sports.  This is also on top of games that used to be handheld only like Pokemon and Wario Ware and (mostly) Animal Crossing.  The Switch is the system for Japanese games.  

Switch has all of the big Japanese games and a lot of the small and medium sized ones.  It's also a lot more affordable than the PS5.  Every year Japan releases more Switch games than it did the year before.  The Switch is the affordable system for Japanese games and it also has some Western games.  The PS5 is the high priced system for mostly Western games and also some Japanese games.  It is the Switch that is filling the role that the PS1 and PS2 originally had of being an affordable system of Japanese games and some Western games.



The_Liquid_Laser said:
IcaroRibeiro said:

The major loophole in your reasoning is that anybody actually needs to wait software prices to go down on Playstation, when in reality they don't. Most of people don't buy hardware at launch, they buy on the second half of their life. At this point Playstation already has a extensive library with games well behind 30 USD and often getting discounts to be bought for even less than 20. You don't even need to purchase much more than 6 games for Playstation starting be a more compelling option 

I also wonder if you are aware subscription services from Playstation give you free two to three games monthly for only 5 USD a month. I'm talking about AAA games from big publishers, not ports of fifth gen. 

But that's tangential. The reason why Playstation 4 and 5 are the successors of Playstation 1 and 2 lies on its gaming library. The only Japanese third parties that sold more than 2 million copies that aren't present on Playstation ecosystem are: Monster Hunter Rise and Ocopath Travaler

If you like JP games, Playstation is the path. Otherwise buy an Xbox, it's less expensive have Game Pass and get all western third parties as well

The succes of Switch is due to their absurdly strong first party line up that stretches to a point they will have a mind-blowing number of over 20 games selling over 10 million copies 

Your next argument is "Yes, but Nintendo games are JP games too, mostly"

Sure, they are. But one doesn't need to think much to realize Nintendo games were never on Playstation hardware. So whoever wanted to play Nintendo should have bought Nintendo. This was true in the 90s during the peak of Playstation crazy and this is true now. 

My next argument is actually, "What Japanese games are on Switch that weren't on N64 and Gamecube?"

A lot.  You already mentioned MH and Asano games.  There is also Dragon Quest, Atelier, Trails, Valkria Chronicles and a load of other games that used to be Playstation exclusive.  There will soon be Persona and Nier.  On top of that, the most popular musou game is Hyrule Warriors, even though this series started on Playstation.  Xenogears and Xenosaga were on Playstation, but Xenoblade is on Switch.  This is on top of the new Nintendo games that Nintendo has created/acquired since the N64/Gamecube days like Splatoon 3 and Bayonetta and Switch Sports.  This is also on top of games that used to be handheld only like Pokemon and Wario Ware and (mostly) Animal Crossing.  The Switch is the system for Japanese games.  

Switch has all of the big Japanese games and a lot of the small and medium sized ones.  It's also a lot more affordable than the PS5.  Every year Japan releases more Switch games than it did the year before.  The Switch is the affordable system for Japanese games and it also has some Western games.  The PS5 is the high priced system for mostly Western games and also some Japanese games.  It is the Switch that is filling the role that the PS1 and PS2 originally had of being an affordable system of Japanese games and some Western games.

Where is RE VII, RE VIII, FF7R, FF16, FFXIV on Switch? Or those are small Japanese games?



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

DonFerrari said:
The_Liquid_Laser said:

My next argument is actually, "What Japanese games are on Switch that weren't on N64 and Gamecube?"

A lot.  You already mentioned MH and Asano games.  There is also Dragon Quest, Atelier, Trails, Valkria Chronicles and a load of other games that used to be Playstation exclusive.  There will soon be Persona and Nier.  On top of that, the most popular musou game is Hyrule Warriors, even though this series started on Playstation.  Xenogears and Xenosaga were on Playstation, but Xenoblade is on Switch.  This is on top of the new Nintendo games that Nintendo has created/acquired since the N64/Gamecube days like Splatoon 3 and Bayonetta and Switch Sports.  This is also on top of games that used to be handheld only like Pokemon and Wario Ware and (mostly) Animal Crossing.  The Switch is the system for Japanese games.  

Switch has all of the big Japanese games and a lot of the small and medium sized ones.  It's also a lot more affordable than the PS5.  Every year Japan releases more Switch games than it did the year before.  The Switch is the affordable system for Japanese games and it also has some Western games.  The PS5 is the high priced system for mostly Western games and also some Japanese games.  It is the Switch that is filling the role that the PS1 and PS2 originally had of being an affordable system of Japanese games and some Western games.

Where is RE VII, RE VIII, FF7R, FF16, FFXIV on Switch? Or those are small Japanese games?

I mean… No shit that Xenoblade is on Nintendo’s consoles. Nintendo bought the studio…  



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DonFerrari said:
The_Liquid_Laser said:

My next argument is actually, "What Japanese games are on Switch that weren't on N64 and Gamecube?"

A lot.  You already mentioned MH and Asano games.  There is also Dragon Quest, Atelier, Trails, Valkria Chronicles and a load of other games that used to be Playstation exclusive.  There will soon be Persona and Nier.  On top of that, the most popular musou game is Hyrule Warriors, even though this series started on Playstation.  Xenogears and Xenosaga were on Playstation, but Xenoblade is on Switch.  This is on top of the new Nintendo games that Nintendo has created/acquired since the N64/Gamecube days like Splatoon 3 and Bayonetta and Switch Sports.  This is also on top of games that used to be handheld only like Pokemon and Wario Ware and (mostly) Animal Crossing.  The Switch is the system for Japanese games.  

Switch has all of the big Japanese games and a lot of the small and medium sized ones.  It's also a lot more affordable than the PS5.  Every year Japan releases more Switch games than it did the year before.  The Switch is the affordable system for Japanese games and it also has some Western games.  The PS5 is the high priced system for mostly Western games and also some Japanese games.  It is the Switch that is filling the role that the PS1 and PS2 originally had of being an affordable system of Japanese games and some Western games.

Where is RE VII, RE VIII, FF7R, FF16, FFXIV on Switch? Or those are small Japanese games?

And REmakes, Kingdom Hearts, Tekken, Street Fighter, FromSoftware games. Niche Ring!!

Excluding MH Rise, Dragon Ball, and maybe Dragon Quest (Dragons everywhere!) literally all globally big (5 million+ sellers) Japanese 3rd party games are skipping Switch and reaching new heights without it. Dark Souls, Persona 5 and NieR Automata are pretty significant but they were ported quite late to be viewed as some sort of big gets. It shouldn't surprise anyone if Persona 6 and the next NieR skip Switch again. Even Soul Hackers 2 which will be available on Xbox is skipping it, at least at launch (Well... It's Atlus).

Switch will never be the main platform for relevant 3rd party games. This much is obvious. Switch 2 will be very interesting though. We're entering a transformative period. VR, portable PC's like SteamDeck, services, acquisitions, and diminishing returns make the future quite difficult to predict for all platform holders.

Last edited by Kyuu - on 04 August 2022

Kyuu said:
DonFerrari said:

Where is RE VII, RE VIII, FF7R, FF16, FFXIV on Switch? Or those are small Japanese games?

And REmakes, Kingdom Hearts, Tekken, Street Fighter, FromSoftware games. Niche Ring!!

Excluding MH Rise, Dragon Ball, and maybe Dragon Quest (Dragons everywhere!) literally all globally big (5 million+ sellers) Japanese 3rd party games are skipping Switch and reaching new heights without it. Dark Souls, Persona 5 and NieR Automata are pretty significant but they were ported quite late to be viewed as some sort of big gets. It shouldn't surprise anyone if Persona 6 and the next NieR skip Switch again. Even Soul Hackers 2 which will be available on Xbox is skipping it, at least at launch (Well... It's Atlus).

Switch will never be the main platform for relevant 3rd party games. This much is obvious. Switch 2 will be very interesting though. We're entering a transformative period. VR, portable PC's like SteamDeck, services, acquisitions, and diminishing returns make the future quite difficult to predict for all platform holders.

And from those only MH Rise is skipping PS, and the other MH which is even bigger is on PS but not on Switch. So saying Switch have better support for 3rd party japanese when talking about the big titles is just a big fat lie.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

Hynad said:
DonFerrari said:

Where is RE VII, RE VIII, FF7R, FF16, FFXIV on Switch? Or those are small Japanese games?

I mean… No shit that Xenoblade is on Nintendo’s consoles. Nintendo bought the studio…  

You seem to be saying that I'm stating the obvious.  But others are saying I'm dead wrong.  Which is it?  Either I'm wrong, or I'm so right that it is obvious.  It can't be both.



Hynad said:
DonFerrari said:

Where is RE VII, RE VIII, FF7R, FF16, FFXIV on Switch? Or those are small Japanese games?

I mean… No shit that Xenoblade is on Nintendo’s consoles. Nintendo bought the studio…  

To be fair, you picked one entry in a long list of games:

"You already mentioned MH and Asano games. There is also Dragon Quest, Atelier, Trails, Valkria Chronicles and a load of other games that used to be Playstation exclusive. There will soon be Persona and Nier."

I would add Switch also has Falcom games like Ys and NIS games like Disgaea. All stuff that didn't came to Nintendo in the past.



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