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kenjab said:
The_Liquid_Laser said:

You must be referring to other posts I've made, because the one you replied to only has 3 sentences.  Let me clear things up.  It depends on whether you are talking console sales lifetime or console sales this year/month/week. My posts about the resale market have more to do with what is happening with console sales right now, and don't really extend past this year's sales.

If we are talking lifetime, then PS5 is not going to outsell X|S in the US.  People in the US don't really care about the PS5, and I know because I live in the US.  They care about Switch and XBox.  And we haven't even gotten to the point where PS5 and X|S have gotten next gen exclusives yet.  Once Starfield and the like start coming, then the US is going to go even more for X|S.  Microsoft is also throwing a lot of money around right now, unlike Generation 8 where they gave up early and still did fairly well in the US.

Playstation is not a strong brand in the US.  It hasn't been strong since PS2.  It just doesn't have a chance against XBox in the US this generation, especially with Microsoft throwing around all of this money.

I mean, come on man.  There's plenty of data that shows these statements are objectively false.  Playstation is still tremendously popular to plenty of Americans, especially in the 18-30 demo that makes a large chunk of video game purchases.  Like you, I'm an American mid-40s dad and I agree that among my friends/kid's friends the XBox (and Switch) is typically preferred, but Playstation is still seen as the "enthusiast" console here.

I am reading the data very differently than you.  To me the data says that Playstation is the weakest brand of the top 3 in the US.  XBox360 stomped all over the PS3 sales wise.  The PS4 was clearly a better system than XB1, but it's sales were not that much higher for PS4.  Playstation actually only ever had one really dominant system in the US and that was PS2.  There is this narrative on the internet that Playstation is a hugely dominant brand.  This was probably created by Europeans, because in Europe it actually is a hugely dominant brand.  In the US, it isn't.  It had one dominant generation and that's it.  It's been over 20 years since the PS2 released.  Playstation is a weaker brand than either XBox or Nintendo in the US.

We may be disagreeing, because you don't actually realize how strong both Nintendo and XBox are in the US.  Nintendo has been selling to kids since the very beginning.  Therefore almost every category of gamer has a very positive image of Nintendo.  The only exception is males in their teens and early 20's.  They want to be thought of as mature and distance themselves from what they view as a kiddy console.  Once this group grows up, they realize being a kid is actually pretty great and they start liking Nintendo again.  As for XBox, I can't fully explain it, but I observe that people in the US really, really love XBox.  This category of males in the teens and early 20's is going for XBox.  I saw all this enthusiasm for XBox during Generation 7 and I am seeing it return right now.  Enthusiasm for XBox wasn't there in Generation 8, but it's back now.

When you consider how much Americans like both XBox and Nintendo, that puts Playstation in third place.  Obviously, there are still some Americans who like Playstation.  PS5 did outsell X|S during their first year mostly from PS4 enthusiasts.  This year it's reversed.  X|S has been outselling PS5.  And we have all of those Activision and Bethesda exclusives still coming.  Elder Scrolls and CoD are hugely popular in the US, as are many of the other XBox first party games.  PS5 basically has no chance of outselling XBox in the US.  The real question is "will XBox win by a little or a lot"?  This idea that PS5 can outsell X|S is not grounded in reality.  It makes as much sense as someone saying XBox will outsell PS5 in Europe.  You've got to realize where consoles have a strong regional advantage.  



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The_Liquid_Laser said:
kenjab said:

I mean, come on man.  There's plenty of data that shows these statements are objectively false.  Playstation is still tremendously popular to plenty of Americans, especially in the 18-30 demo that makes a large chunk of video game purchases.  Like you, I'm an American mid-40s dad and I agree that among my friends/kid's friends the XBox (and Switch) is typically preferred, but Playstation is still seen as the "enthusiast" console here.

I am reading the data very differently than you.  To me the data says that Playstation is the weakest brand of the top 3 in the US.  XBox360 stomped all over the PS3 sales wise.  The PS4 was clearly a better system than XB1, but it's sales were not that much higher for PS4.  Playstation actually only ever had one really dominant system in the US and that was PS2.  There is this narrative on the internet that Playstation is a hugely dominant brand.  This was probably created by Europeans, because in Europe it actually is a hugely dominant brand.  In the US, it isn't.  It had one dominant generation and that's it.  It's been over 20 years since the PS2 released.  Playstation is a weaker brand than either XBox or Nintendo in the US.

We may be disagreeing, because you don't actually realize how strong both Nintendo and XBox are in the US.  Nintendo has been selling to kids since the very beginning.  Therefore almost every category of gamer has a very positive image of Nintendo.  The only exception is males in their teens and early 20's.  They want to be thought of as mature and distance themselves from what they view as a kiddy console.  Once this group grows up, they realize being a kid is actually pretty great and they start liking Nintendo again.  As for XBox, I can't fully explain it, but I observe that people in the US really, really love XBox.  This category of males in the teens and early 20's is going for XBox.  I saw all this enthusiasm for XBox during Generation 7 and I am seeing it return right now.  Enthusiasm for XBox wasn't there in Generation 8, but it's back now.

When you consider how much Americans like both XBox and Nintendo, that puts Playstation in third place.  Obviously, there are still some Americans who like Playstation.  PS5 did outsell X|S during their first year mostly from PS4 enthusiasts.  This year it's reversed.  X|S has been outselling PS5.  And we have all of those Activision and Bethesda exclusives still coming.  Elder Scrolls and CoD are hugely popular in the US, as are many of the other XBox first party games.  PS5 basically has no chance of outselling XBox in the US.  The real question is "will XBox win by a little or a lot"?  This idea that PS5 can outsell X|S is not grounded in reality.  It makes as much sense as someone saying XBox will outsell PS5 in Europe.  You've got to realize where consoles have a strong regional advantage.  

I never said or implied that Playstation was dominant.  But just because Playstation isn't dominant doesn't mean it's not strong or that Americans don't care for the brand. If that were the case there'd already be PS5s in stock all over the country.  Saying Americans don't care for Playstation is like saying we don't care for Chick-fil-A just because it's outsold by McDonald's and Taco Bell every year (yes, it's almost lunchtime, lol).

I mean, look at American video games media (IGN, GiantBomb, Kinda Funny, etc).  They devote tons of time to Playstation topics, usually far more than Nintendo. Why would they spend so much time on it if Americans didn't care about the brand?

Again, NOT saying Playstation is dominant or even #1, just that I think you underestimate the overall demand of the platform here.  In my opinion it's way too soon to call this gen in favor of XBox Series over PS5 already.



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kenjab said:
The_Liquid_Laser said:

I am reading the data very differently than you.  To me the data says that Playstation is the weakest brand of the top 3 in the US.  XBox360 stomped all over the PS3 sales wise.  The PS4 was clearly a better system than XB1, but it's sales were not that much higher for PS4.  Playstation actually only ever had one really dominant system in the US and that was PS2.  There is this narrative on the internet that Playstation is a hugely dominant brand.  This was probably created by Europeans, because in Europe it actually is a hugely dominant brand.  In the US, it isn't.  It had one dominant generation and that's it.  It's been over 20 years since the PS2 released.  Playstation is a weaker brand than either XBox or Nintendo in the US.

We may be disagreeing, because you don't actually realize how strong both Nintendo and XBox are in the US.  Nintendo has been selling to kids since the very beginning.  Therefore almost every category of gamer has a very positive image of Nintendo.  The only exception is males in their teens and early 20's.  They want to be thought of as mature and distance themselves from what they view as a kiddy console.  Once this group grows up, they realize being a kid is actually pretty great and they start liking Nintendo again.  As for XBox, I can't fully explain it, but I observe that people in the US really, really love XBox.  This category of males in the teens and early 20's is going for XBox.  I saw all this enthusiasm for XBox during Generation 7 and I am seeing it return right now.  Enthusiasm for XBox wasn't there in Generation 8, but it's back now.

When you consider how much Americans like both XBox and Nintendo, that puts Playstation in third place.  Obviously, there are still some Americans who like Playstation.  PS5 did outsell X|S during their first year mostly from PS4 enthusiasts.  This year it's reversed.  X|S has been outselling PS5.  And we have all of those Activision and Bethesda exclusives still coming.  Elder Scrolls and CoD are hugely popular in the US, as are many of the other XBox first party games.  PS5 basically has no chance of outselling XBox in the US.  The real question is "will XBox win by a little or a lot"?  This idea that PS5 can outsell X|S is not grounded in reality.  It makes as much sense as someone saying XBox will outsell PS5 in Europe.  You've got to realize where consoles have a strong regional advantage.  

I never said or implied that Playstation was dominant.  But just because Playstation isn't dominant doesn't mean it's not strong or that Americans don't care for the brand. If that were the case there'd already be PS5s in stock all over the country.  Saying Americans don't care for Playstation is like saying we don't care for Chick-fil-A just because it's outsold by McDonald's and Taco Bell every year (yes, it's almost lunchtime, lol).

I mean, look at American video games media (IGN, GiantBomb, Kinda Funny, etc).  They devote tons of time to Playstation topics, usually far more than Nintendo. Why would they spend so much time on it if Americans didn't care about the brand?

Again, NOT saying Playstation is dominant or even #1, just that I think you underestimate the overall demand of the platform here.  In my opinion it's way too soon to call this gen in favor of XBox Series over PS5 already.

Because they care about their own gaming tastes and not the tastes of the average gamer.  If these game review sites were more in touch with the average gamer, then Animal Crossing would have gotten a whole lot more GotY nominations in 2020.

You may have to wait and see the data to come in to be convinced.  However, I've seen the winds change in the US plenty of times, and this time is no different.  The enthusiasm right now is for the XBox and not PS5.



Yeah it's definitely too early to call the US for PS or Xbox in my opinion.
PS5 is still sold out while XS is at least able to put the Series S on shelves. And even then, PS5 is still ahead in sales so far.



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PS5 vs PS3 Sales Comparison - June 2022

This monthly series compares the aligned worldwide sales of the PlayStation 5 and PlayStation 3.

The PlayStation 5 launched in November 2020, while the PlayStation 3 launched in November 2006 in North America and Japan and in March 2007 in Europe. This does mean the holiday periods for the two consoles do lineup.

PS5 Vs. PS3 Worldwide:

Gap change in latest month: 5,604 - PS5

Gap change over last 12 months: 1,416,097 - PS5

Total Lead: 7,106,408 - PS5

PlayStation 5 Total Sales 20,937,686

PlayStation 3 Total Sales: 13,831,278

June 2022 is the 20th month the PlayStation 5 has been available for. In the latest month, the gap grew in favor of the PlayStation 5 when compared to the aligned launch of the PlayStation 3 by 5,604 units.

In the last 12 months, the PS5 has grown its lead over the PS3 by 1.42 million units. The PlayStation 5 is currently ahead by 7.11 million units.

The PlayStation 5 has sold 20.94 million units in 20 months, while the PlayStation 3 sold 13.83 million units. Month 20 for the PlayStation 5 is June 2022 and for the PlayStation 3 is June 2008.

The PlayStation 3 did not reach current PlayStation 5 sales until month 28 where it had sold 20.94 million units.

The PlayStation 3 crossed 20 million in month 27, 30 million in month 38, and 40 million in month 47. The PlayStation 3 sold 87.4 million units lifetime.



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And now for some generational comparisons...
7th gen gap for PS3/360 was around 3.4m with 360 20th month in June 07 and PS3 June 08
8th gen gap for PS4/XBO was around 11m with both of their 20 month marks in June 15
9th gen gap for PS5/Series is around 5.5m with both of their 20 month marks in June 22

Currently the 9th gen is half what the 8th gen was for the same time.

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Switch vs Wii Sales Comparison in the US - June 2022

This monthly series compares the aligned US sales of the Nintendo Switch and the Nintendo Wii.

The Wii launched in November 2006, while the Nintendo Switch launched in March 2017. Therefore, the holiday periods for the two consoles do not lineup, which is why there are big increases and decreases.

Switch Vs. Wii US:

Gap change in latest month: 187,804 - Switch

Gap change over last 12 months: 2,205,778 - Switch

Total Lead: 2,810,096 - Wii

Switch Total Sales: 36,191,164

Wii Total Sales: 39,001,260

June 2022 is the 64th month that the Nintendo Switch has been available for in the US. During the latest month, the Switch has caught up with the Wii when you align the launches by 187,804 units.

In the last 12 months, the Switch has outsold the Wii by 2.21 million units. The Wii is currently ahead of the Switch by 2.81 million units.

The 64th month for the Nintendo Switch is June 2022 and for the Wii it is February 2012. The Switch has sold 36.19 million units, while the Wii sold 39.00 million units during the same timeframe. The Wii sold current Switch sales in month 60.

The Wii sold 41.70 million units in the US during its lifetime. The Switch needs to sell another 5.51 million units to outsell the Wii.



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PS5 vs Switch Sales Comparison - June 2022

This monthly series compares the aligned worldwide sales of the PlayStation 5 and Switch.

The PlayStation 5 launched in November 2020, while the Nintendo Switch launched in March 2017. This does mean the holiday periods for the two consoles do not lineup.

PS5 Vs. Switch Worldwide:

Gap change in latest month: 83,132 - PS5

Gap change over last 12 months: 2,862,652 - Switch

Total Lead: 509,902 - NS

PlayStation 5 Total Sales: 20,937,686

Switch Total Sales: 21,447,588

June 2022 is the 20th month the PlayStation 5 has been available for. In the latest month, the gap grew in favor of the PS5 when compared to the aligned launch of the Nintendo Switch by 83,132 units.

In the last 12 months, the Switch has outsold the PS5 by 2.86 million units. The Switch is ahead of the PS5 by 509,902 units.

The PlayStation 5 has sold 20.94 million units in 20 months, while the Nintendo Switch sold 21.45 million units. Month 20 for the PlayStation 5 is June 2022 and for the Nintendo Switch it is October 2018.

The Nintendo Switch crossed 30 million in month 23, 40 million in month 33, and 50 million in month 35. The Nintendo Switch has sold 109.81 million units through June 2022.



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PS5 vs Wii Sales Comparison - June 2022

This monthly series compares the aligned worldwide sales of the PlayStation 5 and Wii.

The PlayStation 5 launched in November 2020, while the Nintendo Wii launched in November 2006. This does mean the holiday periods for the two consoles do lineup.

PS5 Vs. Wii Worldwide:

Gap change in latest month: 878,804 - Wii

Gap change over last 12 months: 8,435,624 - Wii

Total Lead: 7,974,850 - Wii

PlayStation 5 Total Sales: 20,937,686

Wii Total Sales: 28,912,536

June 2022 is the 20th month the PlayStation 5 has been available for. In the latest month, the gap grew in favor of the Nintendo Wii when compared to the aligned launch of the PlayStation 5 by 0.88 million units.

In the last 12 months, the Nintendo Wii has outsold the PlayStation 5 by 8.44 million units. The Nintendo Wii is ahead of the PlayStation 5 by 7.97 million units.

The PlayStation 5 has sold 20.94 million units in 20 months, while the Nintendo Wii sold 28.91 million units. Month 20 for the PlayStation 5 is June 2022 and for the Nintendo Wii it is June 2008.

The Nintendo Wii crossed 30 million in month 21, 40 million in month 26, and 50 million in month 32. The Nintendo Wii sold 101.63 million units lifetime.



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Writer of the Sales Comparison | Weekly Hardware Breakdown Top 10 | Weekly Sales Analysis | Marketshare Features, as well as daily news on the Video Game Industry.