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Is free speech suppressed on the internet's main public squares

Yes 32 52.46%
 
No 27 44.26%
 
Undecided 2 3.28%
 
Total:61

Generally, the “Conservatives” aren’t getting banned over conservatism. They’re getting banned over libel and hate speech that breaks the terms of service and the law. There is a world of difference between speech that makes a political point, and speech designed to demean, bring suspicion, incite harassment, or incite the murder of minorities. These are rules that every site has because most countries don’t consider hate speech or libel as protected free speech for obvious historical reasons.

In addition. The Internet is full of anonymous people being complete anti-social assholes, and people forget that this isn’t generally acceptable behaviour in regular society. That’s why sites generally have anti-trolling, anti-flaming, and other decorum rules.



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Good. I dont think he is going to be able to make any change at the end of the day and it will still be a place very unfriendly for everyone to the right of Stalin, but it will be interesting to see him try. Personally I think he should just leave twitter and start to use other options, even if they are not popular amongst journalists. A person like Musk starting to use other platforms would probably make those platforms much more viable and maybe, who knows, start to generate some competition to Twitter. Probably not though, most likely what we will see in the future is more division, with center and right wing people moving to other platforms or stop using twitter (which is what I think everyone should do anyway).



Dulfite said:

Was I happy about Twitter and Facebook censoring conservatives? No.

Did I pretty much quit using those services? Yep.

Did I support calls for them to be investigated and regulated? No. They are companies that owe their allegiance to their shareholders, and if the shareholders leave those same leaders in place, then the majority of the shares must support censorship of conservatives, and that's their choice.

Now that Elon Musk is a major shareholder, and potentially about to be a majority share owner...

Am I happy Twitter will be censoring less conservative voices and being more neutral? Yes.

Will I use Twitter if it becomes less censoring of ideas the far left hates? Probably not.

Do I think liberals freaking out over Musk are being ridiculous? Absolutely. He is a moderate. He isn't going to take over Twitter and shut down liberal ideas, he just is going to push for everyone's voices to be heard and not just ones supported by the far left. The vast majority of conservatives are not Alt Right, just like the vast majority of liberals aren't Antifa, Musk just wants people to be treated fairly and ideas to be treated fairly.

Thats a very good take, almost exactly what I think. But it's interesting to see all the discussion. He is a crazy guy indeed. 



Let's be real here for a second. It wouldn't be right for twitter to keep existing WITHOUT a shitposter on their board. This just makes sense lol



padib said:

Tesla CEO Elon Musk acquired a 9 percent stake in Twitter to become its largest shareholder at a time when he is questioning the social media platform's dedication to free speech and the First Amendment.

Didn't he literally try to bribe somebody to stop reporting facts about him?

Yeah, he's in no position to be talking about free speech...



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EnricoPallazzo said:
Dulfite said:

Was I happy about Twitter and Facebook censoring conservatives? No.

Did I pretty much quit using those services? Yep.

Did I support calls for them to be investigated and regulated? No. They are companies that owe their allegiance to their shareholders, and if the shareholders leave those same leaders in place, then the majority of the shares must support censorship of conservatives, and that's their choice.

Now that Elon Musk is a major shareholder, and potentially about to be a majority share owner...

Am I happy Twitter will be censoring less conservative voices and being more neutral? Yes.

Will I use Twitter if it becomes less censoring of ideas the far left hates? Probably not.

Do I think liberals freaking out over Musk are being ridiculous? Absolutely. He is a moderate. He isn't going to take over Twitter and shut down liberal ideas, he just is going to push for everyone's voices to be heard and not just ones supported by the far left. The vast majority of conservatives are not Alt Right, just like the vast majority of liberals aren't Antifa, Musk just wants people to be treated fairly and ideas to be treated fairly.

Thats a very good take, almost exactly what I think. But it's interesting to see all the discussion. He is a crazy guy indeed. 

It's too bad that it's too long after the perfect timing for this. It wasn't that long ago really, last weeks flavor.

When complaints were piling up, the go to excuse was, they're all private businesses and can do whatever they want.

Which of course was a shot at conservatives and capitalism, but it had foundation and legitimacy for those who didn't like it.

Now we have a private multi billionaire who's using that same type of excuse to get their way, and all of the sudden it's a concern now.

I personally hope Musk doesn't go crazy and turn Twitter into a right wing echo chamber, but I do hope he tries to balance it better.

Seeing how Elon rolls, I wouldn't put it past him to start by changing Twitter's blue logo to red. Then later, just poll about Trumps account.

While I'd have to assume he actually has big plans, he's crazy enough this could just be to allow him to become The King troll, discipline free.



ConservagameR said:
EnricoPallazzo said:

Thats a very good take, almost exactly what I think. But it's interesting to see all the discussion. He is a crazy guy indeed. 

It's too bad that it's too long after the perfect timing for this. It wasn't that long ago really, last weeks flavor.

When complaints were piling up, the go to excuse was, they're all private businesses and can do whatever they want.

Which of course was a shot at conservatives and capitalism, but it had foundation and legitimacy for those who didn't like it.

Now we have a private multi billionaire who's using that same type of excuse to get their way, and all of the sudden it's a concern now.

I personally hope Musk doesn't go crazy and turn Twitter into a right wing echo chamber, but I do hope he tries to balance it better.

Seeing how Elon rolls, I wouldn't put it past him to start by changing Twitter's blue logo to red. Then later, just poll about Trumps account.

While I'd have to assume he actually has big plans, he's crazy enough this could just be to allow him to become The King troll, discipline free.

Musk isn't a right winger. He is a moderate, a 90's Democrat, basically, just with a bit more patriotism (about the West in general, not just America) dashed on top. For him to turn Twitter into a right wing echo chamber would mean he'd start banning left wingers, which he has given no intention to do. Again, he's a moderate, not a right winger.

All conservatives expect him to do is put in place policies that protect their freedom of speech on issues such as abortion, crt, religious freedom, lower taxes for all not just the poorest, working to be successful rather than expecting government handouts which are paid for by the overtaxed middle class, right to arm and protect ourselves from would be aggressors, and many other conservative views. It seems like every couple years a legitimate conservative viewpoint shared by tens of millions of Americans, sometimes even 100+ million, is suddenly ostracized as a Nazi view that should be banned from everywhere by an extremely vocal minority of online forum warriors and extremely influencial big Tech companies controlled by the far left.



Dulfite said:
ConservagameR said:

It's too bad that it's too long after the perfect timing for this. It wasn't that long ago really, last weeks flavor.

When complaints were piling up, the go to excuse was, they're all private businesses and can do whatever they want.

Which of course was a shot at conservatives and capitalism, but it had foundation and legitimacy for those who didn't like it.

Now we have a private multi billionaire who's using that same type of excuse to get their way, and all of the sudden it's a concern now.

I personally hope Musk doesn't go crazy and turn Twitter into a right wing echo chamber, but I do hope he tries to balance it better.

Seeing how Elon rolls, I wouldn't put it past him to start by changing Twitter's blue logo to red. Then later, just poll about Trumps account.

While I'd have to assume he actually has big plans, he's crazy enough this could just be to allow him to become The King troll, discipline free.

Musk isn't a right winger. He is a moderate, a 90's Democrat, basically, just with a bit more patriotism (about the West in general, not just America) dashed on top. For him to turn Twitter into a right wing echo chamber would mean he'd start banning left wingers, which he has given no intention to do. Again, he's a moderate, not a right winger.

All conservatives expect him to do is put in place policies that protect their freedom of speech on issues such as abortion, crt, religious freedom, lower taxes for all not just the poorest, working to be successful rather than expecting government handouts which are paid for by the overtaxed middle class, right to arm and protect ourselves from would be aggressors, and many other conservative views. It seems like every couple years a legitimate conservative viewpoint shared by tens of millions of Americans, sometimes even 100+ million, is suddenly ostracized as a Nazi view that should be banned from everywhere by an extremely vocal minority of online forum warriors and extremely influencial big Tech companies controlled by the far left.

I actually considered him a Reaganite, not a modern right winger, but still a conservative rather than any modern democrat.



I find Twitter is a shitty platform for political discussion. It’s overrun by narcissistic queefs who get off on back-pats from outrage and virtue signal posts.

These sorts don’t give half a limp drunken fuck about what they’re talking about beyond how much they can make it about themselves. They live vicariously through each other as well, so that makes some shitty posters exponentially more shitty. They’re like automatons coked out on reactions, memes, and making other people feel hated.

I don’t think it’s the word count either. Despite the ocean of fecal matter, there are still sober channels taking the ego out of the equation in the more official and journalistic sections. Twitter is up there with other forms of news outlets for reporting on the Ukraine situation. Want a nice concise update that takes 5 to 10 seconds to read? Twitter is the place IF you’re only looking at those channels. That’s why articles about Twitter posts tend to be the best place to to read Twitter.

Otherwise, there’s nothing sacred about Twitter being a political speech zone. But even in those more sober channels, the shit from the ocean of virtue signalling and outrage always seems to wash up into it.

Last edited by Jumpin - on 07 April 2022

I describe myself as a little dose of toxic masculinity.

Eh. As far as I know, you have to say some pretty bad stuff to get banned on Twitter, but you can fairly freely express your opinion. Twitter's main problem is that is absolutely sucks for any kind of serious discussion.