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ConservagameR said:
Machiavellian said:

I am not sure where you got the ideal I believe you have a good or bad opinion on gaming services.  I am pretty sure I have made no reference to that opinion since most of my points are against your stance that GP needs Sony validation. 

PS Plus is not a service, PS Now is a service.  I believe you are getting confused on the difference between the 2.  Never stated that this was not so, the difference I continue to state is the direction.  I also made the point, that MS stance on GP is that its the driving force for their future and this new service by Sony is still an extension of their console business.  There is a clear distinction on how each company views their services.

See one does not equal another.  Just because GP is considered the global direction for MS the company does not mean that they do not still make the Xbox console.  Just like MS makes mice, keyboards, surface PC and laptops.  The hardware are extensions of MS business while the services is the Main goal, its the opposite of how Sony view their eco system where the console hardware is the main and their services are extension of it.

Not sure if Phil direction was a no brainer, really does not matter, he made the right decisions and in the eyes of the CEO, those decisions gained him promotions from head of xbox to head of gaming for MS.  So whether those decision were no brainers means nothing, execution is what companies look for.

Xbox will be around for as long as MS can sell consoles, just like them selling mice, keyboards, laptops ect.

That's because I never said Game Pass needs Sony validation. I said XB hoped for validation through a potential Game Pass competitor from Sony.

So saying what you think, or what you are, means everything, yet nothing, if you don't follow through and deviate instead?

Netflix is a service because that's what a service is. If Netflix started selling their own hardware to be able to make use of their service, that would no longer make them a dedicated service company. Now if those devices were free with a sub, then they would still be considered a service only company.

This means MS (with XB), as well as Sony (with PS), are both partially service companies. As I already put it, hybrids, though one is more of a true hybrid than the other at this point, or one is closer to becoming a full service you could say.

Companies do prefer employees with useful idea's that can execute. If their idea's aren't useful, then they just want a yes man who will do what they're told. Phil at the very least can execute. How many useful new idea's were his, that's hard to say.

I can't really argue much with that. MS would have to come up with some other big game plan prior if they were going to axe XB. For as long as XB has been around now, it looks as though MS thinks it's worth keeping no matter what.

At BOLDED:  You are going to have to help me understand the distinction of this statement.  What does that even mean.  Who is XB, are you saying fans of the Xbox or the Xbox division.  If its the fans  then I still have a hard time understanding this reasoning.  There is no fans I know of who is purchasing a GP sub because of Sony validating some way MS direction.  If its the Xbox division, it also does not work because GP is global to MS gaming not just the Xbox division.

If Netflix sold a dongle for their service, they would still be a service company.  Their primary focus of the company is their service and any hardware made towards delivery of that service would be just an extension of their business.

But MS is not a partial service company.  Their whole direction is towards putting their products in a service.  Actually when Nat took over that was the direction he took the company.  

Doesn't matter how many useful ideals are Phil, it only matters if he can execute them.  This is why you hire talented people because you do not have to have all the good ideals, you just need to recognize them and execute them.  This is why some managers succeed more than others.  Hell GP might not eve have been his original ideal, but it still does not matter.  If he as the manager took it, executed it and got the CEO fully behind it then its his success.



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Machiavellian said:

If Netflix sold a dongle for their service, they would still be a service company.  Their primary focus of the company is their service and any hardware made towards delivery of that service would be just an extension of their business.

But MS is not a partial service company.  Their whole direction is towards putting their products in a service.  Actually when Nat took over that was the direction he took the company.  

Which first party games of Microsoft are only available in GamePass?

Which games published by Xbox Game Studios are only available in GamePass?

Which third party games are only available in GamePass?

Which announced first party games of Microsoft will only be available in GamePass?

Which announced games published by Xbox Game Studios will only be available in GamePass?

Which announced third party games will only be available in GamePass?



Conina said:
Machiavellian said:

If Netflix sold a dongle for their service, they would still be a service company.  Their primary focus of the company is their service and any hardware made towards delivery of that service would be just an extension of their business.

But MS is not a partial service company.  Their whole direction is towards putting their products in a service.  Actually when Nat took over that was the direction he took the company.  

Which first party games of Microsoft are only available in GamePass?

Which games published by Xbox Game Studios are only available in GamePass?

Which third party games are only available in GamePass?

Which announced first party games of Microsoft will only be available in GamePass?

Which announced games published by Xbox Game Studios will only be available in GamePass?

Which announced third party games will only be available in GamePass?

Why are you asking these questions based on the bolded text, not sure I understand.  Could you elborate what you are looking for since I am not sure the direction you are going.

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Machiavellian said:
ConservagameR said:

That's because I never said Game Pass needs Sony validation. I said XB hoped for validation through a potential Game Pass competitor from Sony.

So saying what you think, or what you are, means everything, yet nothing, if you don't follow through and deviate instead?

Netflix is a service because that's what a service is. If Netflix started selling their own hardware to be able to make use of their service, that would no longer make them a dedicated service company. Now if those devices were free with a sub, then they would still be considered a service only company.

This means MS (with XB), as well as Sony (with PS), are both partially service companies. As I already put it, hybrids, though one is more of a true hybrid than the other at this point, or one is closer to becoming a full service you could say.

Companies do prefer employees with useful idea's that can execute. If their idea's aren't useful, then they just want a yes man who will do what they're told. Phil at the very least can execute. How many useful new idea's were his, that's hard to say.

I can't really argue much with that. MS would have to come up with some other big game plan prior if they were going to axe XB. For as long as XB has been around now, it looks as though MS thinks it's worth keeping no matter what.

At BOLDED:  You are going to have to help me understand the distinction of this statement.  What does that even mean.  Who is XB, are you saying fans of the Xbox or the Xbox division.  If its the fans  then I still have a hard time understanding this reasoning.  There is no fans I know of who is purchasing a GP sub because of Sony validating some way MS direction.  If its the Xbox division, it also does not work because GP is global to MS gaming not just the Xbox division.

If Netflix sold a dongle for their service, they would still be a service company.  Their primary focus of the company is their service and any hardware made towards delivery of that service would be just an extension of their business.

But MS is not a partial service company.  Their whole direction is towards putting their products in a service.  Actually when Nat took over that was the direction he took the company.  

Doesn't matter how many useful ideals are Phil, it only matters if he can execute them.  This is why you hire talented people because you do not have to have all the good ideals, you just need to recognize them and execute them.  This is why some managers succeed more than others.  Hell GP might not eve have been his original ideal, but it still does not matter.  If he as the manager took it, executed it and got the CEO fully behind it then its his success.

-Based on the initial point made earlier, of Spencer or Bond mentioning it directly just prior to Plus. I was referring to them in that point made.

-Ok fine then. Let's do it your way.

Sony is an electronics hardware company then. Not a gaming company. Not an entertainment company. Not a financial company. etc. Everything else other than the electronic hardware business is just an extension of that. So MS and Sony are in no competition because they're in completely different industries then.

Don't take into account any changes in Sony over the past 50 years, because there certainly hasn't been any renewed focus in that company whatsoever, but make sure to take mostly only that into account when it comes to MS. Okee dokee?

-Phil I believe, recently said XB games don't only have to be on services like Game Pass, that separate digital or physical is also necessary. Remember, it's about reaching everyone, everywhere, no matter how or where you want to play. Right?

-Execution is certainly important, yes, but it wouldn't be only his success. It would definitely be part of it, but he wouldn't get and shouldn't try and take full credit. Not that he has or would as far as I've seen. A good manager and leader shares or gives credit where it's due.



Conina said:
Machiavellian said:

If Netflix sold a dongle for their service, they would still be a service company.  Their primary focus of the company is their service and any hardware made towards delivery of that service would be just an extension of their business.

But MS is not a partial service company.  Their whole direction is towards putting their products in a service.  Actually when Nat took over that was the direction he took the company.  

Which first party games of Microsoft are only available in GamePass?

Which games published by Xbox Game Studios are only available in GamePass?

Which third party games are only available in GamePass?

Which announced first party games of Microsoft will only be available in GamePass?

Which announced games published by Xbox Game Studios will only be available in GamePass?

Which announced third party games will only be available in GamePass?

It feels like a bizarre standard for a company's main focus to be a service necessitates that the company is making exclusives for that service. 

By the same standard, Sony's main focus last gen was PSVR. It got exclusive VR games, it was also able to play PS4 games via a virtual screen.  

What is MS investing the most money in? They're not making Xbox exclusives or PC exclusives. They're not making many deals with third parties for exclusives for those platforms. 

They are on the other hand, making lots of deals to put games on their platform while keeping it off everything else. 

When MS made a $70 billion acquisition, they did not mention Xbox, they mentioned Gamepass:

>The acquisition also bolsters Microsoft’s Game Pass portfolio with plans to launch Activision Blizzard games into Game Pass, which has reached a new milestone of over 25 million subscribers. With Activision Blizzard’s nearly 400 million monthly active players in 190 countries and three billion-dollar franchises, this acquisition will make Game Pass one of the most compelling and diverse lineups of gaming content in the industry. Upon close, Microsoft will have 30 internal game development studios, along with additional publishing and esports production capabilities.