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Should down votes be removed?

YES!!! 22 27.16%
 
NO!!! 45 55.56%
 
Keep it but stop comments from being removed 14 17.28%
 
Total:81
Tridrakious said:
VAMatt said:

Also, as a supporter for a few years now, here are the three "perks" that I make use of:

- No ads
- Vote multiplier
- Support staff income

Of those three, the vote multiplier is least important to me, by a wide margin. But, it does eliminate one of the only three perks that mean anything to me. I can get around the ads with an ad blocker. So, that would leave support for staff as the only reason for someone in my position to be a supporter. The other perks are of zero interest to me. I don't even remember what they are, because I simply don't care about them. I think it is reasonable to assume that some other supporters might feel similarly.

I would say the three things I use it for are:

No ads

Supporting the staff

The blue theme

I forgot about the blue theme.  I use it as well. 



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I was one of the people who voted no on this poll (few days ago). Personally, I am not in support of removing the down vote system on articles. Some might argue that it stifles posting on articles. But we have had some of the highest posting rates I have ever seen on articles in the past year. To me, it seem that changes talon made a year ago has made our comment section a lot more enticing. It doesn't seem that the downvote system is really affecting much. About 95% of the time I look at a downvoted post, it is something that is low effort, its an opposing console fan posting on another consoles article, or just something stupid. Its been abused before, but I don't think its a huge issue.

On the issue of allowing supporters to have an extra vote, while i haven't been always a fan of this program, but the supporter rewards over the years have kind of gotten worse. Especially after we no longer track software and they couldn't see the rest of the top list anymore. I know when I considered buying a supporter membership a while ago, one thing I did consider is that I could get a bit extra voice in the upvote system. I think most mainly get it for the ad removal, but several supporters in this thread have said its a important feature for them. So I do not think it should be removed.

So here is here is a solution that could help. I think that the upvote and downvote system could no longer be an anonymous system any more. I think that when you hover over the count for a post, you should be able to see a breakdown for who upvoted the post and who has down voted the post. The members who are supporter should also have the supporter metal by there name so people will know that they have the extra votes. I think putting a name to the votes will help stop any troll downvoting or even upvoting. Alternatively, if you don't want to reveal who upvote and who downvoted, you could also just present a list of user who voted on this post. Secondly, I can also support the removal of hiding feature when post get more than 10 downvotes.



     

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cycycychris said:

About 95% of the time I look at a downvoted post, it is something that is low effort, its an opposing console fan posting on another consoles article, or just something stupid. Its been abused before, but I don't think its a huge issue.

I feel like this is potentially at the core of the whole issue, because this is not all my experience with downvoted comments (mine or others'). Do some people really think some comments are bad whereas others think they're at least decent, or even good? I'm repeating myself, but a lot of the time (much more than the remaining 5% of the time), the downvotes don't really seem to correlate much, if at all, with the quality of the comment. Still, a lot of people here seem to think comments get downvoted essentially for being bad, whereas others don't find that to be the case all that often. Personally I find that curious.



Zkuq said:
cycycychris said:

About 95% of the time I look at a downvoted post, it is something that is low effort, its an opposing console fan posting on another consoles article, or just something stupid. Its been abused before, but I don't think its a huge issue.

I feel like this is potentially at the core of the whole issue, because this is not all my experience with downvoted comments (mine or others'). Do some people really think some comments are bad whereas others think they're at least decent, or even good? I'm repeating myself, but a lot of the time (much more than the remaining 5% of the time), the downvotes don't really seem to correlate much, if at all, with the quality of the comment. Still, a lot of people here seem to think comments get downvoted essentially for being bad, whereas others don't find that to be the case all that often. Personally I find that curious.

I'm sure that there are some legitimate differences of opinion regarding comment quality.  As to how significant those differences are, I have no idea.  

Some of it is probably stuff where someone comes into an article about PS and talks about XBox, for example.  Their comment may be constructive and well written, but some people may feel like it just doesn't belong there.  Others may think it is fine.  I'd say that's a legitimate difference of opinion.  

Similarly, there are probably legit differences of opinion about what is or is not on-topic.  

My perception is that there are more than 5% of cases where the downvotes don't seem to align with comment quality or questionable placement.  However, I had never really given this much thought until the last day or so.  So, I don't really trust my own perception at this point.  That's a big part of the reason that I prefer taking no action at this time. The issue has been  brought forward  for all of us. Let's now take some time, pay some attention, and get our heads around how widespread and serious of an issue this actually is. This isn't a life or death issue that must be addressed today or the site will cease to exist. Let's take our time and see what, if anything, really needs to be done. 

Also, those of us with supporter status that could theoretically be amplifying abuse of the system might now think more carefully about how we use our extra voting power.   I think it is within the realm of possibility that the problem, assuming that there really is one, will take care of itself.  I wouldn't bet on that, but I think the odds are far greater than zero. 



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cycycychris said:

I was one of the people who voted no on this poll (few days ago). Personally, I am not in support of removing the down vote system on articles. Some might argue that it stifles posting on articles. But we have had some of the highest posting rates I have ever seen on articles in the past year. To me, it seem that changes talon made a year ago has made our comment section a lot more enticing. It doesn't seem that the downvote system is really affecting much. About 95% of the time I look at a downvoted post, it is something that is low effort, its an opposing console fan posting on another consoles article, or just something stupid. Its been abused before, but I don't think its a huge issue.

On the issue of allowing supporters to have an extra vote, while i haven't been always a fan of this program, but the supporter rewards over the years have kind of gotten worse. Especially after we no longer track software and they couldn't see the rest of the top list anymore. I know when I considered buying a supporter membership a while ago, one thing I did consider is that I could get a bit extra voice in the upvote system. I think most mainly get it for the ad removal, but several supporters in this thread have said its a important feature for them. So I do not think it should be removed.

So here is here is a solution that could help. I think that the upvote and downvote system could no longer be an anonymous system any more. I think that when you hover over the count for a post, you should be able to see a breakdown for who upvoted the post and who has down voted the post. The members who are supporter should also have the supporter metal by there name so people will know that they have the extra votes. I think putting a name to the votes will help stop any troll downvoting or even upvoting. Alternatively, if you don't want to reveal who upvote and who downvoted, you could also just present a list of user who voted on this post. Secondly, I can also support the removal of hiding feature when post get more than 10 downvotes.

ok since this is what most of the other posters where saying i was crying about.

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Not too interested in it at all, they had the perfect lead to play Drake with Nathan Fillion, but yeah dont give the fans of the game what they want just pick Spiderman... If this is how Sonys choice of actors are going to be i dont have much hope for the other video game movies they have in production."

you can look at that post. Whats wrong with it?



VAMatt said:

My perception is that there are more than 5% of cases where the downvotes don't seem to align with comment quality or questionable placement.  However, I had never really given this much thought until the last day or so.  So, I don't really trust my own perception at this point.

I agree with much of the rest of your post as well, but especially this part caught my eye. How many people even have a proper overall view of what's happening in the comment sections of the articles? I know I don't read even nearly all the articles, so there's a lot of room for perception bias. I imagine it's the same for a lot of people. Additionally, like you said, there's also room for difference in how the quality of comments is evaluated by different people. 'Good' times if you really want to get to the bottom of this!



IDGAF if I was downvoted. That films trailer literally reminds me of early 2000s films. If it had the 2 tropes I mentioned it would be a full-on film from 2002-2003 . The early 2000s are not a good era in pop culture. The film looks bad and dated. I'm not an Uncharted fan but I do watch films. You want your film to please fans and nonfans to entice more people to become fans. This film did not entice me to see it but to ignore it. I feel Sony fans are the most sensitive bunch, Sorry guys, the film looks shit. Call it childish and downvote. I won't lose sleep.



Bite my shiny metal cockpit!

First of all, HAPPY NEW YEAR everyone!! Had to say that since this my first post of 2022. Anyway...

This subject gets revisited every so often and my opinion remains unchanged: I don't really see the policy as a big deal one way or the other, but personally I dislike down-voting, mainly because my comments often get down-voted, seemingly because I often offer nuanced views about things and that's way too independent a thought pattern for most people. Either that or I dared write with more feeling than an Amazon Alexa response. It's discouraging because I tend to put a lot of effort into my contributions for them to just be lazily swatted down and stigmatized with the click of a button. Detractors should have to put more effort into their gripes than that, I feel. But then maybe there wouldn't be so many of those because most people are too lazy to actually explain why they object, especially if it involves writing more than one or two sentences.

I don't feel like I fit in very well as things are, so the unfortunate truth is that I become discouraged easily. Half the time if I see a down-vote by a comment I made, I'll just delete the comment to avoid the impending, humiliating pile-on that may hurt my reputation on the main forums as well, to say nothing of frankly my soul. And them maybe I'll think two or three times before offering another opinion on an article in the future. Maybe other people with higher self-esteem than me respond differently, but that's how it often goes for me.

There's surely a reason why down-voting ain't an option here on the main forums. I don't see why there's a divergence in the policy that way. Makes no sense to me.

Last edited by Jaicee - on 01 January 2022

Jaicee said:

This subject gets revisited every so often and my opinion remains unchanged: I don't really see the policy as a big deal one way or the other, but personally I dislike down-voting, mainly because my comments often get down-voted, seemingly because I often offer nuanced views about things and that's way too independent a thought pattern for most people. Either that or I dared write with more feeling than an Amazon Alexa response. It's discouraging because I tend to put a lot of effort into my contributions for them to just be lazily swatted down and stigmatized with the click of a button. Detractors should have to put more effort into their gripes than that, I feel. But then maybe there wouldn't be so many of those because most people are too lazy to actually explain why they object, especially if it involves writing more than one or two sentences.

I don't feel like I fit in very well as things are, so the unfortunate truth is that I become discouraged easily. Half the time if I see a down-vote by a comment I made, I'll just delete the comment to avoid the impending, humiliating pile-on that may hurt my reputation on the main forums as well, to say nothing of frankly my soul.

There's surely a reason why down-voting ain't an option here on the main forums. I don't see why there's a divergence in the policy that way. Makes no sense to me.

Most downvotes are just because you grabbed somebody's attention.  The same goes for the upvotes.  Sometimes you just have to kick back, ...and enjoy it.



...to avoid getting banned for inactivity, I may have to resort to comments that are of a lower overall quality and or beneath my moral standards.