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Are ghosts real?

Yes 12 25.53%
 
No 28 59.57%
 
Not sure 7 14.89%
 
Total:47

No, obviously.



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Majora said:
S.Peelman said:

No, utter nonsense. There’s no logical reason for that to be true and everything always has a rational explanation, whether you have one ready or not. I have no reason to believe in things I cannot see or detect in some way. Darkness is just the absence of light, and the world is exactly the same in it.

So right as I type this I’m in the attic, and I hear cracking and tapping sounds all around me, even though there’s nothing and no-one here with me. A less informed person could be thinking this is a ghost, but no, it’s just the wooden beams in the roof that are stretching and moving.

‘Life’ is just a very complicated chemical reaction, nothing more, and when we ‘die’, our molecules will get scattered again to be used in another complicated chemical reaction sometime later, there’s no need for ‘spirits’.

I usually agree with your posts entirely, Peelman (seriously, you could be my buddy) but not here. I agree with you that logically it makes no sense and life is so very complicated, but I truly believe we don’t (as humans) know even half as much as we think we do. I really, logically speaking, agree with your whole post. But there is so much we just can’t explain, and - bear with me, here - maybe there is something that defies “our” sense of logic. Maybe, maybe not. Again, I agree with the premise of your post and I am loathe to say I might believe in such vague concepts such as god or ghosts, but I truly feel maybe there are things we just don’t understand or even know about. Anyway, this is a very interesting thread and I value your opinion greatly 🙂

Thanks. I guess that's fair, we aren't all-knowing yet, and never will be. Also, we probably would be buddies in life, given your name and our avatars.



Dante9 said:
JackHandy said:

No, we didn't record the event. It would have required some sort of planning or good luck, as we don't have any surveillance cameras in our home. I did try to makeshift-record things, just in the event that something happened right then and there, but I couldn't just stand still, holding my phone all day. And even if I did, I doubt anything would have happened as this thing was displaying innate intelligence.

For example, one time we were standing in the dinning room, and I asked the other person who was standing back there with me if they felt like something was in the room with us (I was a complete skeptic at that point, and was pretty much laughing while I asked the question). The person (who was not a skeptic at all) paused, seemed to consider it, then said that they felt like there was. Which was funny to me at the time because up until then, most of the "stuff" that was happening, took place in the dinning room. So I joked about it. I looked into the room and said something like, "Why in the world do you have to stay back here? What is it about the dinning room?" Then the other person joked as well and said something to the effect of, "Yeah... what's the deal?" And then, almost on cue, there were two loud thumps on the floor. Not any old thumps either. These were obvious footfalls, like a large child crossing their arms, pouting their lips and stomping their feet on the floor after being told they couldn't go out and play because they had to stay inside and do their homework. It was jarring, loud and caused both of us to flinch as if something had smacked us. Our eyes widened, our laughing ceased and my heart was basically trying to jump out of my throat. 

Another incident was later on. This was during the day. Someone had gone to the store and gotten groceries. They were on their knees in front of the fridge, putting the things they'd gotten away. Another person was in the kitchen as well, preparing food. Suddenly, from downstairs, there was a loud crash which was so sharp, it caused both people to scream. When I went down the stairs to see what it was (at this point, I was starting to buy into it as a real thing, even though I didn't want to because of how insane it was), there was a large garbage bag filled with empty Tide detergent bottles laying in the middle of the laundry room floor. I stood there, eyed them, then called back up to the kitchen and asked if that bag had been stored on a shelf or maybe even stacked on top of something in the room. When the answer was no, that's when I was like... okay, guess this crap is real, because there was no way that bag could have gotten to the place in the room that it had gotten to--not without telekinesis being involved, anyway--and certainly not with the force with which it had slammed into the ground. Something had lifted that heavy bag up in the air and had slammed it down, hard.

There was some other stuff to: A dark, featureless, yet distinctly human-like shadow floating out of the living room and into the kitchen. Someone's hair being playfully tugged in the hallway. Heavy footsteps walking the house in the middle of the night when no one was up. Handles to things being violently flung closed in front of multiple people--one time, while someone was literally explaining to another person in the room how they'd experienced that very same thing the day before. This last event caused both people scream, it was so sharp, abrupt and on cue.

So no, I don't believe these are glitches. I would have before this all happened. Back then, I too was under the belief that if they're real, there's probably some sort of scientific explanation (parallel universes, magnetic fields, brain glitches, mental illnesses etc.) behind it all. But I certainly didn't buy into it being the product of some kind of intelligent energy force. And that goes double for the concept of departed souls.

But not anymore. I still can't explain what happened, but it was no trick of the mind, at least not in our case. And it definitely displayed intelligence. It understood what we were staying. It knew where we were, what we were doing and when we were doing it. It was calculating and clever--and it planned these events based on these things. To that, I'm 100% positive. 

But, again--I don't expect you (or anyone else) to believe any of this. How could I, when I use to feel the same way? It's just so ridiculous, so Hollywood, so hokey and so utterly make-believe-sounding that to expect people to believe it would be outright delusional, at best.

One thing is for sure though: I no longer discount people's testimony when I hear ghost stories or similar experiences. As a matter of fact, I compare and contrast--wondering if their experiences were anything like ours.

If I had things like that happen to me, I'd rig the house with automated surveillance equipment to catch something. It would be a scientific revolution that would change the world, it would be all I could think about. And yet for some reason people who claim to see these things happen just seem to go on with their lives and shrug their shoulders at the whole thing, that doesn't make sense.

Well, I can only speak for myself, but I didn't even think about that until it was nearly through. The other people living with me were convinced, but I thought it was ridiculous. By the time I was on board, it was only a few days and it was gone. Also, I'm just a regular guy. I'm not some sort of paranormal investigator. So my life was not spent, trying to think about how I can gather evidence. 

Heck, even if I had gotten evidence, this would have been the first time I would have even thought about sharing it because really, what's it going to change? Video can be doctored so skeptics would just laugh it off. I know I would have before all this. And you probably would have as well. 



JackHandy said:
Dante9 said:

If I had things like that happen to me, I'd rig the house with automated surveillance equipment to catch something. It would be a scientific revolution that would change the world, it would be all I could think about. And yet for some reason people who claim to see these things happen just seem to go on with their lives and shrug their shoulders at the whole thing, that doesn't make sense.

Well, I can only speak for myself, but I didn't even think about that until it was nearly through. The other people living with me were convinced, but I thought it was ridiculous. By the time I was on board, it was only a few days and it was gone. Also, I'm just a regular guy. I'm not some sort of paranormal investigator. So my life was not spent, trying to think about how I can gather evidence. 

Heck, even if I had gotten evidence, this would have been the first time I would have even thought about sharing it because really, what's it going to change? Video can be doctored so skeptics would just laugh it off. I know I would have before all this. And you probably would have as well. 

So it just stopped and never happened again? Hmm.

I guess you have a point about not being believed even with video evidence. How would one even get real scientists involved, there's no such field in universities as paranormal studies, is there? I've seen a movie or two where scientist come along and establish a field lab at the site with top of the line equipment and all that, but what would it take for that to happen, I wonder. The phenomenon should be constantly repeatable, observable by anyone and completely inexplicable, at the very least.



Dante9 said:
JackHandy said:

Well, I can only speak for myself, but I didn't even think about that until it was nearly through. The other people living with me were convinced, but I thought it was ridiculous. By the time I was on board, it was only a few days and it was gone. Also, I'm just a regular guy. I'm not some sort of paranormal investigator. So my life was not spent, trying to think about how I can gather evidence. 

Heck, even if I had gotten evidence, this would have been the first time I would have even thought about sharing it because really, what's it going to change? Video can be doctored so skeptics would just laugh it off. I know I would have before all this. And you probably would have as well. 

So it just stopped and never happened again? Hmm.

I guess you have a point about not being believed even with video evidence. How would one even get real scientists involved, there's no such field in universities as paranormal studies, is there? I've seen a movie or two where scientist come along and establish a field lab at the site with top of the line equipment and all that, but what would it take for that to happen, I wonder. The phenomenon should be constantly repeatable, observable by anyone and completely inexplicable, at the very least.

This sort of thing has been happening to the other people who live with me for years, but not to me so I always rolled my eyes at it when they'd bring it up. At one point, I even began to think there was some sort of mental illness involved, even though the chances of three people living together (one not even related) all having undiagnosed schizophrenia is ridiculous. But I had no other way to explain it. Then it happened to me finally as well and well... there went that. But yeah, it comes and goes without warning. Sometimes it's worse than other times (this last time was the worst). 

As for it being constantly repeatable, I think it isn't because whatever is behind it has its own mind, so to speak. I mean, think about it. Suppose you or I or both of us were a spirt or whatever. If we decided to mess with people, for whatever stupid reason, eventually we would achieve our intended goal or we'd just get bored and find something else to do. I think that's what happens a lot of times. This thing, or whatever it is, comes... does whatever its set out to do, then splits. I also think, since it's clearly intelligent (ours literally communicated with us), that it's not stupid enough to get caught. I bet you if I set out to capture it, it wouldn't allow itself to be seen. It would stay silent and wait, or go away.

But anyway, I think next time it starts happening, I'm actually going to try to capture something anyway. Not for anyone else's sake (no one will believe it's real anyway), but for my own.