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Will Switch outsell PS2?

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Mandalore76 said:
curl-6 said:

What makes Switch especially hard to predict in my view is the uncertainty regarding the length of its lifespan. Nintendo are very inconsistent when it comes to how long they support their systems for.

For this reason, while 140-150 million seems most likely to me, it's hard to nail down when I can see it being replaced anywhere from 2022 to 2024.

I think the early Splatoon 3 announcement was Nintendo's way of guaranteeing everyone there would be no Switch replacement in 2022.

Hopefully that's the case, unless they want to make that one a crossgen game. (Though even then it'd surely make more sense to make it a Switch 2 exclusive)

numberwang said:

Rumors says there will be a Switch Pro with DLSS and all new chip set coming this year. If we count that as "Switch" it could pass PS2 sales.

Why wouldn't we count a new model as Switch sales?

New 3DS counts towards 3DS sales.

DSi counts towards DS sales.

Gameboy Colour counts towards Gameboy sales.

PS4 Pro counts towards PS4 sales.

Xbox One X counts towards Xbox One sales.



Bet with Liquidlaser: I say PS5 and Xbox Series will sell more than 56 million combined by the end of 2023.

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curl-6 said:
numberwang said:

Rumors says there will be a Switch Pro with DLSS and all new chip set coming this year. If we count that as "Switch" it could pass PS2 sales.

Why wouldn't we count a new model as Switch sales?

New 3DS counts towards 3DS sales.

DSi counts towards DS sales.

Gameboy Colour counts towards Gameboy sales.

PS4 Pro counts towards PS4 sales.

Xbox One X counts towards Xbox One sales.

If the Switch Pro supports DLSS we are looking at a true generational jump disguised as an additional upgrade to keep the old cash cow Switch printing money. I t would be more like grouping DS and 3DS as one device.



numberwang said:
curl-6 said:

Why wouldn't we count a new model as Switch sales?

New 3DS counts towards 3DS sales.

DSi counts towards DS sales.

Gameboy Colour counts towards Gameboy sales.

PS4 Pro counts towards PS4 sales.

Xbox One X counts towards Xbox One sales.

If the Switch Pro supports DLSS we are looking at a true generational jump disguised as an additional upgrade to keep the old cash cow Switch printing money. I t would be more like grouping DS and 3DS as one device.

That's not a generational leap, according to the leaks the device is a mild leap in actual power, the screen is even still 720p. DLSS is a nice feature but it will just clean up the image on a TV screen, it won't magically make the Switch as powerful as even a base PS4.



Bet with Liquidlaser: I say PS5 and Xbox Series will sell more than 56 million combined by the end of 2023.

curl-6 said:
numberwang said:

If the Switch Pro supports DLSS we are looking at a true generational jump disguised as an additional upgrade to keep the old cash cow Switch printing money. I t would be more like grouping DS and 3DS as one device.

That's not a generational leap, according to the leaks the device is a mild leap in actual power, the screen is even still 720p. DLSS is a nice feature but it will just clean up the image on a TV screen, it won't magically make the Switch as powerful as even a base PS4.

If it does support DLSS we need Tensor Cores and thus a completely new chip set with a new CPU, GPU and RAM. It will be an all new system internally.



numberwang said:
curl-6 said:

Why wouldn't we count a new model as Switch sales?

New 3DS counts towards 3DS sales.

DSi counts towards DS sales.

Gameboy Colour counts towards Gameboy sales.

PS4 Pro counts towards PS4 sales.

Xbox One X counts towards Xbox One sales.

If the Switch Pro supports DLSS we are looking at a true generational jump disguised as an additional upgrade to keep the old cash cow Switch printing money. I t would be more like grouping DS and 3DS as one device.

I said it earlier but I'll mention it again. Xbox One X was a big lead from Xbox One yet it was counted as one.

Go check the spec difference between the 2, yet no one was complaining then about counting it as a new generation.



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numberwang said:
curl-6 said:

That's not a generational leap, according to the leaks the device is a mild leap in actual power, the screen is even still 720p. DLSS is a nice feature but it will just clean up the image on a TV screen, it won't magically make the Switch as powerful as even a base PS4.

If it does support DLSS we need Tensor Cores and thus a completely new chip set with a new CPU, GPU and RAM. It will be an all new system internally.

Xbox One X has a new chipset internally yet we don't call it a new generation.

DLSS is a form of upscaling; the Xbox One S added 4K upscaling to the Xbone family yet we don't call it a new generation.



Bet with Liquidlaser: I say PS5 and Xbox Series will sell more than 56 million combined by the end of 2023.

seeing you two talking about whether "Switch pro" should count in the final sales of the "basic switch" or not.
My contribution penny. IMHO, The answer is very simple:

Case 1: "Switch Pro" is just a hardware upgrade, it should count, like Ps4pro and 1X. it's just a switch with better graphics / performance.

Case 2: "Switch Pro" has exclusive games, these games are only "Switch pro" and do not work in the "classic". This is new generation, hardware that does something that the old is absolutely unable to do. it simply shouldn't count in sales, here we have "Switch 1" and new generation "switch 2" that must be counted separately.



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Manlytears said:

seeing you two talking about whether "Switch pro" should count in the final sales of the "basic switch" or not.
My contribution penny. IMHO, The answer is very simple:

Case 1: "Switch Pro" is just a hardware upgrade, it should count, like Ps4pro and 1X. it's just a switch with better graphics / performance.

Case 2: "Switch Pro" has exclusive games, these games are only "Switch pro" and do not work in the "classic". This is new generation, hardware that does something that the old is absolutely unable to do. it simply shouldn't count in sales, here we have "Switch 1" and new generation "switch 2" that must be counted separately.

Yes but people are arguing if it should be a pro or a new gen based on rumors. It is pointless because we have zero confirmed info. People should wait until we know more. I personally do not believe it will be the massive jump some people are making it out to be but we will have to wait and see.



PS4 Pro and XBOX were still using Jaguar CPUs and GCN GPUs so the same design generation as their base units (XBOX did get a generational RAM upgrade to GDDR5 from DDR3). The Switch X1 was outdated when it hit the market and the late 2021 chip set should be multiple hardware generations ahead. If Nintendo stays with their idea of a "NX family" we might get many new deices under the Switch label.



numberwang said:

PS4 Pro and XBOX were still using Jaguar CPUs and GCN GPUs so the same design generation as their base units (XBOX did get a generational RAM upgrade to GDDR5 from DDR3). The Switch X1 was outdated when it hit the market and the late 2021 chip set should be multiple hardware generations ahead. If Nintendo stays with their idea of a "NX family" we might get many new deices under the Switch label.

Xbox One X's GPU may have been of the same line but it was still a new and more modern design well ahead of the 2013 base model, and doesn't use on-chip ESRAM like the base and S models so it was significantly different, in addition to the new RAM and the addition of HDR and 4K upscaling on both the S and X models.

Switch Pro will likely be of the same Tegra/ARM chip line as well in order to maintain full compatibility, and the addition of tensor cores is much like X's addition of GDDR5 RAM. 

Last edited by curl-6 - on 30 April 2021

Bet with Liquidlaser: I say PS5 and Xbox Series will sell more than 56 million combined by the end of 2023.