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JRPGfan said:

Apparently, its 52% PS5, 31% PS4, 17% Xbox Series/Xbox One.
Thats over 83% of retail sales are on Sony side.

Gamepass, litterally killing retail sales for this title on xbox side.
Makes you wonder if the trend continues, theres still value in retail stores, selling xbox consoles+games.
You could imagine it reaches a point, where the profits for the retail side, are so small, its not worth it (because gamepass took it all from them).

Digital stores & services, killing the physical ones...

"Most of them showed up to buy a PS4," said one store executive who remained anonymous. "When we told them it was out of stock and explained to them what Game Pass is and how many games they get access to, they picked up a Series S instead."


Seems to me that some retailers have no problem with Game Pass. 

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Shows that many gamers got what they want with a service like Gamepass.

The quality of Game Pass thrives on the sales success or expectations that come mainly from Playstation and PC. Microsoft probably doesn't pay THAT much because 3rd parties don't expect their mid-tier games to sell all that well on Xbox in the first place (may as well explore something different), and PC + Playstation sales have them covered. Sony would have to pay more if they wish to match; it's the exact opposite situation to securing exclusives, in which it's MS that has to pay more.

Those who are actually buying these games on PC, Playstation and Switch are helping make Game Pass a compelling service. It's pretty clever how Microsoft is turning their weakness into a strength but I still am curious how much profit they're making off gaming. What they need now is first party quality to kill the concerns about "Game Pass limiting budgets to remain sustainable."

I bet digital sales are high on Xbox not because digital is dominate on Xbox, but Gamepass games have like a 20% discount if you want to buy it. So in the U.K. with their outrageous prices might just be buying digital.

Dulfite said:

People always wanting to hate on Gamepass really annoy me. The program has saved me hundreds of dollars. It has allowed me to try and enjoy games I wouldn't have ever bought, and try and hate games I would have otherwise purchased regretfully. Microsoft is obviously paying these third parties well because if not, why would they put their games on Gamepass? And if MS is paying them well, then either they are making a lot of money off of an increasing subscriber base, or they are anticipating they will based on data they have collected so far. Gamepass is great for consumers, great for investors, great for developers. The only people I see hate on it are the ones who are obsessed with sales figures and treat them like they are everything. This is 2021 people, it's very much about subscription models, will one day be ALL about subscription models, and it will NEVER go back to ALL being about sales figures again.

Why spend $500-1000 a year on game purchases for games, 90% of them, you will never touch again? It's a silly waste of money for those of us buying digitally. I only spend $180 a year on Gamepass PC.

I think the hate is entertaining and it's been interesting to watch it evolve over the last couple years.

First it was that we would never see any big third party games on it, but then those came.
Then all the MS games would be episodic, but that is yet to happen. Only thing episodic was Tell Me Why and that developer was already doing episodic before GamePass.
Then it was MS would only do small A/AA games, yet we got stuff like Gears 5 and Horizon.
Then it was MS would stop caring about quality and only release trash on it. Yet it's full of amazing games.
Then it was that MS would jack the price way up, and yet it's stayed $10/15 even with EA Play added. They've also started adding some big third party games day one (Outriders, Show 21).

Now the goal posts have shifted again and it's bad for retailers, everyone please think of the GameStop's and Walmart's of the world.

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Even without GamePass, digital are overtaking physical anyway. it was in 2019 or 2020, can't remember which, that Sony confirmed that digital sales had reached 50% and was continuing to grow.

The cheaper 400$ PS5 all-digital will likely outsell the 500$ regular PS5 by the end of the gen. The casuals will flock to the digital. Right now, the hardcore are preferring the disc one, but by the end of the gen, it will be the opposite. I will not be surprised at all, if Sony reports physical game sales to be around 20% or less.

Retail sales aren't the #1 metric that is used anymore. It's all about the active number of users/subscribers. In the US, Marvel's Avengers was the best-selling game in September 2020, and 11th overall in 2020. Yet today, just a few months into 2021, it is a ghost town and considered a massive financial flop for Square Enix. Outriders being in GamePass ensures that there will always be steady stream of new users to flock into the game, and a healthy playerbase, which is what matters. I see more people talking about Outriders than Marvel's Avengers at launch, despite one being a new IP and the other one of the biggest IP in entertainment right now, and I think GamePass is definitively helping.

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