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Forums - Nintendo Discussion - Rate today's Direct 2/17/2021

 

Out of 10, how would you rate the Direct?

1 3 2.29%
 
2 6 4.58%
 
3 4 3.05%
 
4 10 7.63%
 
5 19 14.50%
 
6 29 22.14%
 
7 31 23.66%
 
8 20 15.27%
 
9 5 3.82%
 
10 4 3.05%
 
Total:131

The direct was great, people are never happy. It has a lot of games and for a lot of tastes. It didn't show what I wanted, but that doesn't deny the fact that it was very solid presentation.



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Mar1217 said:
AngryLittleAlchemist said:

That just reads like an excuse to me, though.

Doesn't mean the package should be $60. That is absurd. And "waiting for sales" on Nintendo's own games ... I mean ... they'll come eventually, but that's not the point. Prices should be justifiable whether or not they eventually go down. 

You're absolutely right. But don't mistaken yourself in thinking your point of view is the only one people should harbor. Technically, I'm of the opposite thinking the package and pricing are justifiable. 

But hey, if you don't share my pov, it's fine. 

Of course it's not the only point of view people should harbor. Where did I say that? 



AngryLittleAlchemist said:
Mar1217 said:

You're absolutely right. But don't mistaken yourself in thinking your point of view is the only one people should harbor. Technically, I'm of the opposite thinking the package and pricing are justifiable. 

But hey, if you don't share my pov, it's fine. 

Of course it's not the only point of view people should harbor. Where did I say that? 

Good to know. Be it as it may, you never know how and who can actually take their opinions as legitimate authorative argument.



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kazuyamishima said:

Damn, a port of a port for $60.
Overall 6/10

What game are you talking about?

Skyward Sword has only been on the Wii before, so it's not a port of a port, it's a remaster. Miitopia is also just a port of the original game and isn't 60$. I can't think of any port of a port announced in the direct.



AngryLittleAlchemist said:

My thoughts on this direct are weirdly complex. In a lot of ways, it's basically the inverse of 2019's February direct, which is tied for my favorite direct Nintendo has ever done (the other being E3 2019's). It just kind of goes to show that the context of what is happening around a direct is important. During the 2019 February direct, we got new games like Super Mario Maker 2, The Legend of Zelda Link's Awakening Remake, and Astral Chain, as well as smaller new announcements like Rune Factory 5, the Dragon Quest XI S port finally happening, etc. This is on top of already knowing that Luigi's Mansion 3 and Animal Crossing: New Horizons were slated for this year, and that while technically not announced yet Pokemon's 8th gen would surely come out this year. Because of this, it not only made the impact of these "smaller" games (because most things are just inherently smaller than Animal Crossing and Pokemon and LM3, these were still huge announcements) much greater since they were filling out the year with high-quality productions, but it also highlighted those announcements in a weird way. There wasn't any pressure on say, Link's Awakening being the big holiday title for 2019, which would have been massively disappointing. Even without showing Luigi's Mansion 3 or Animal Crossing, the direct was still an amazing success. And even with Animal Crossing slipping out of the 2019 lineup, there was still by far enough content for the year to still be backed to the brim. 

Yet, 2019's first 6 months were actually fairly quiet. It took forever for the first big original game to come out, Yoshi's Crafted World, and it just wasn't a game that received much publicity or critical praise. Mario Maker 2 is amazing, I love it, but it came out very late in that first 6 months and after NSMBUDX and Yoshi it arguably wasn't what Nintendo needed. So we were in a weird situation where the direct gave a lot of security and assurance that the rest of the year would be great, but it didn't mean anything for about the next 4 months arguably until Mario Maker 2 came out (in particular because Yoshi's release date was already announced). 

This is why I say this direct was the exact opposite. It didn't really give much assurance that this year would be good, but there's a lot of upcoming releases really soon that are exciting, so it's hard to take it too harshly. Still, it was far, far from a great direct. 

Now to be clear, what surprises me is that I don't really care that much. I don't feel angry or offended at this direct. Usually even when something is just passable or mediocre, it kind of sparks an extremity in me of "why is this just so meh?". But this time, I don't care. I think a lot of the reason for that is that this direct was so weird about basically ensuring that it wasn't actually that important in the grand scheme of things. I mean you can just tell by the way Nintendo talked about things during this direct: They opened the direct basically ensuring that directs would stay as a staple (putting less overall significance on this one), and they didn't even mention the Zelda anniversary at all despite revealing Skyward Sword HD, even teasing a BOTW2 announcement soon. 


I kind of think that, initially when planning for this direct Nintendo did start out mostly wanting to showcase first half 2021 games, stuff like Miitopia, Skyward Sword HD, and Mario Golf, but by the time they ended up including just one special announcement (Splatoon 3) and all their third party development partners (NMH3, Project Triangle) it ended up looking very future-focused despite their own disclaimer. Which I honestly think was kind of misguided, because it makes it look like they might as well have revealed the rest of the years lineup, as it stands that second half has very little and I wonder if the direct would have just been better being about 25 minutes with announcements just concerning everything up to Skyward Sword. 

What IS unacceptable and what does make me mad is the pricing. GIVE. ME. A. FUCKING. BREAK. $60 for an HD Wii Port with a few QoL changes. Ok, look, it's Zelda, we all knew that would happen. It still sucks, but it's Zelda so it's not too surprising. But $50 for Miitopia? Probably the worst one of all: $35 FOR EACH FAMICOM DETECTIVE CLUB GAME? $70 FOR TWO VISUAL NOVELS THAT ARE REMAKES OF FAMICOM GAMES? That is fucking ridiculous. No way to slice it. If you're going to try and feed me regurgitated crap, at least don't make me pay a shit ton for it. That's honestly insulting. 

It's a 5/10 direct. It might be higher if NMH3 had a better trailer (I don't know why, but their trailers after the cool E.T. rip-off have just been pretty meh despite me being somewhat excited for the game). In retrospect, while it was harder to process live, Monster Hunter Rise's new trailer revealed a lot of cool stuff. So I guess that's a point for the direct. Overall though, just eh. Not offensive, except for the fucking awful pricing, but not good either. 

The Famicom Detective Club games are 60$ combined, because if you bought one you get a discount on the other one. But still 20$ each would have been more reasonable.



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Kakadu18 said:
kazuyamishima said:

Damn, a port of a port for $60.
Overall 6/10

What game are you talking about?

Skyward Sword has only been on the Wii before, so it's not a port of a port, it's a remaster. Miitopia is also just a port of the original game and isn't 60$. I can't think of any port of a port announced in the direct.

Seeing as the graphics have been revamped, the reworked UI, added gameplay mechanics with the horse customization options and possibly more added content. 

I wouldn't consider it a port. It's closer to something like Xenoblade Chronicles DE in spirits.



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anonymunchy said:

I loved it really. A lot of surprises for me. We didn't get updates on some games, but we already know they are coming at some point so who cares, they showed us other things.
Pyra for Smash
Outer Wilds
Legend of Mana
Mario Golf
No More Heroes III
Neon White
Project Triangle Strategy
Ninja Gaiden Master Collection
Hyrule Warriors DLC
Saga Frontier Remastered
Skyward Sword HD
Splatoon 3

Really feels like these next 2 years are going to be packed with games.

I got a big grin on my face when Pyra was revealed, and that Skyward Sword HD will make motion controls optional. ^^



Mar1217 said:
AngryLittleAlchemist said:

Of course it's not the only point of view people should harbor. Where did I say that? 

Good to know. Be it as it may, you never know how and who can actually take their opinions as legitimate authorative argument.

I mean I wouldn't be so against the pricing if I didn't care about these games. So by that extension I definitely can see if someone else thinks these games are worth it at that price. And the reality is I have enough disposable income to accept higher prices like this. I'd just prefer that not to be the case. The issue for me is moreso that ALL THREE feel overpriced. Not just one or the other. You can probably make a very convincing argument that yeah, actually, two remakes of a Famicom adventure game are more worthy of a $60 price tag based on their nicheness and level of quality relative to the genre than the other two products. In fact thinking back on it, that argument might even be one I agree with (I kind of don't, but it's reasonable). But then, you'd still have the other 2 games to justify. 

As I said the direct wasn't even bad. It just gets more annoying the more I think back on it ... that having interest in a Nintendo game can feel more like a curse than a blessing. And I realize that similar stuff is said a lot around here in a very melodramatic way, but in this scenario if you're going to regurgitate old games, at least offer them at prices which are fair or marked down. I think that is a more than reasonable proposition and a valid perspective, even if the market will end up disagreeing (at least, that will definitely happen in Zelda's case ... but I honestly think that speaks more towards franchises being too big to fail). 



I do wonder how much a person's age affects how they see these Directs.  For example, a lot of people seem to only look at the first party content and ignore most of the other games.  I can see if a person grew up with the N64 or Gamecube, then this would be an easy mentality to develop.  Those platforms were mostly about Nintendo first party games.

I grew up with the NES and SNES.  What I want in a Nintendo system is to have both Nintendo first party and a lot of third party games on the same system.  That feels normal to me.  That is also what Nintendo handhelds are like.  While I do believe there is still a lot of first party games coming to the Switch, it really wouldn't bother me much if they didn't have many first party games left.  To me games are games.  There are still lots of third party games coming and I can find stuff to play from that.

So, from my perspective, I just saw a Direct with a couple of dozen games and most of those are Summer 2021 or earlier, so it was a really good Direct.  For a person that only looks for the first party stuff, they probably just saw a few games in the Direct and nothing big is coming soon.  It's all a matter of perspective.



Mar1217 said:
Kakadu18 said:

What game are you talking about?

Skyward Sword has only been on the Wii before, so it's not a port of a port, it's a remaster. Miitopia is also just a port of the original game and isn't 60$. I can't think of any port of a port announced in the direct.

Seeing as the graphics have been revamped, the reworked UI, added gameplay mechanics with the horse customization options and possibly more added content. 

I wouldn't consider it a port. It's closer to something like Xenoblade Chronicles DE in spirits.

You're right about that.