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SvennoJ said:

I guess they look better on a HDR screen, I prefer the 2019 shots :/ The 2021 screens look a bit washed out with low color saturation. Plus the character model looks kinda ill and scary in 2021

Nah. This is what they are supposed to look like with proper implementation. Sure, one could prefer the 2019 look, but it's less accurate on a pure mathematical basis (and not helped by the fact that I used filters in 2019 to make it look a little stronger). Looking closely at the shots I chose, there are light sources in 2019 with no 'bounce' light. That's very unrealistic. With proper raytraced lighting, everything stands out like it should.

Darkness and more contrast often times are good masks and make people think that said look is more real, when in reality, it is the opposite (a few tech sites talk about this — people's preference for poor lighting conditions in games because they are so used to that look)!

2019 (without proper GI — everything unrealistically dark):

2021 Proper GI:

Of course, I'm running a Nano IPS Panel with a wide color gamut (has HDR but I turned it off). So, with all due respect, maybe our screens just aren't on the same level, because from where I'm sitting, that dark, over-contrasty look is pretty eh. My only complaint is with the eyes. Bright scleras look fake (I get that they are also reacting to the new lighting system, but I actually don't like it)! Other than that, it's a pretty considerable RT upgrade!

Last edited by CGI-Quality - on 06 May 2021

                                                                                                                                                           

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CGI-Quality said:

Nah. This is what they are supposed to look like with proper implementation. Sure, one could prefer the 2019 look, but it's less accurate on a pure mathematical basis (and not helped by the fact that I used filters in 2019 to make it look a little stronger). Looking closely at the shots I chose, there are light sources in 2019 with no 'bounce' light. That's very unrealistic. With proper raytraced lighting, everything stands out like it should.

Darkness and more contrast often times are good masks and make people think that said look is more real, when in reality, it is the opposite (a few tech sites talk about this — people's preference for poor lighting conditions in games because they are so used to that look)!

2019 (without proper GI — everything unrealistically dark):

2021 Proper GI:

Of course, I'm running a Nano IPS Panel with a wide color gamut (has HDR but I turned it off). So, with all due respect, maybe our screens just aren't on the same level, because from where I'm sitting, that dark, over-contrasty look is pretty eh. My only complaint is with the eyes. Bright scleras look fake (I get that they are also reacting to the new lighting system, but I actually don't like it)! Other than that, it's a pretty considerable RT upgrade!

Probably is what you said, too used to abnormal contrast and over saturation that realistic lightning looks off now. I have 144hz ips panel, HDR capable according to windows 10 but no clue how to use it. (It activates on some pictures on google maps which turn pretty much all very bright white, not working right) It doubt it will be anywhere near the HDR my tv produces when it works.

That shot above looks great. But I stand by my opinion that she looks ill in 2021 :) Uncanny valley is calling.



Probably is what you said, too used to abnormal contrast and over saturation that realistic lightning looks off now. I have 144hz ips panel, HDR capable according to windows 10 but no clue how to use it. (It activates on some pictures on google maps which turn pretty much all very bright white, not working right) It doubt it will be anywhere near the HDR my tv produces when it works.

That shot above looks great. But I stand by my opinion that she looks ill in 2021 :) Uncanny valley is calling.

Go to Start → System → Display → Use HDR

From there, you can also adjust the Brightness level. Are you working with 400 nits? 600? 1000? The higher, the better! If you don't mind me asking, because you said your monitor was IPS, what's the model/panel?



                                                                                                                                                           

CGI-Quality said:

Probably is what you said, too used to abnormal contrast and over saturation that realistic lightning looks off now. I have 144hz ips panel, HDR capable according to windows 10 but no clue how to use it. (It activates on some pictures on google maps which turn pretty much all very bright white, not working right) It doubt it will be anywhere near the HDR my tv produces when it works.

That shot above looks great. But I stand by my opinion that she looks ill in 2021 :) Uncanny valley is calling.

Go to Start → System → Display → Use HDR

From there, you can also adjust the Brightness level. Are you working with 400 nits? 600? 1000? The higher, the better! If you don't mind me asking, because you said your monitor was IPS, what's the model/panel?

It's not a monitor, just a laptop screen. Predator Helios 300.

I checked the settings, (Windows HD color) it just lists stream HDR video under capabilities and there is a difference between using HDR and not using HDR with the sample video. (Much better / brighter highlights) Yet under capabilities Use HDR No, Use WCG apps no (no clue what that is)

So not sure what's going on with (some) google maps images. I only saw it in Europe (touring the world in FS2020 while checking pictures in google maps) but perhaps it was a bug in windows that got patched out. I can't find it anymore and haven't seen it in months.

This screen is night and day difference with my old laptop though, and can match my tv in color clarity. But no pure black. And I guess no (fake) HDR for pictures. I see there is (or should be) a version with 3080rtx out, might be time to start shopping around for a new one :)


Edit: What also helps, it's dark now, makes the new pics look better while the high contrast one now look fake black (due to no pure black). It's the same with HDR games, really no point playing them during the day. The ambient light interferes too much.

Last edited by SvennoJ - on 06 May 2021

SvennoJ said:
CGI-Quality said:

Go to Start → System → Display → Use HDR

From there, you can also adjust the Brightness level. Are you working with 400 nits? 600? 1000? The higher, the better! If you don't mind me asking, because you said your monitor was IPS, what's the model/panel?

It's not a monitor, just a laptop screen. Predator Helios 300.

I checked the settings, (Windows HD color) it just lists stream HDR video under capabilities and there is a difference between using HDR and not using HDR with the sample video. (Much better / brighter highlights) Yet under capabilities Use HDR No, Use WCG apps no (no clue what that is)

So not sure what's going on with (some) google maps images. I only saw it in Europe (touring the world in FS2020 while checking pictures in google maps) but perhaps it was a bug in windows that got patched out. I can't find it anymore and haven't seen it in months.

This screen is night and day difference with my old laptop though, and can match my tv in color clarity. But no pure black. And I guess no (fake) HDR for pictures. I see there is (or should be) a version with 3080rtx out, might be time to start shopping around for a new one :)

WCG is Wide Color Gamut. Apps like Photoshop (of which I use my monitor's DCI-P3 98% Color Profile) is fabulous for taking advantage of them. Ultimately, it's what that means.

In any case, that's a 300nit Brightness, 144Hz, FHD, 72% NTSC Color Gamut screen. That's a decent gamut, although games don't really take much advantage of profiles. Still, you should have good enough colors, in which case I suspect that you are simply too used to unnatural.

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So, Metro is Metro! It got a nice boost in raytracing and texture mapping (Village is, to put it bluntly, NEXT GEN!)...

Gonna start with Metro and have Village shots in a few!

Geometry + Texture Map Updates

GI Improvements

Raytraced Reflections In The Water (also more of that color 'pop' that SvennoJ was so concerned was lost)

In regards to Gamuts @SvennoJ , maybe your screen would show better results if you set Google to take advantage of the color profile → chrome://flags/#force-color-profile. That bottom shot, for example, has such a nice 'blueness' on one of my monitors versus the other (Sceptre IPS: 135% sRGB + DCI-P3 92% vs my LG UltraGear Nano IPS: sRGB 135% [I believe, could be 100%] + DCI-P3 at 98% [this is critical] - the one where the blues and reds 'pop' more). I set Chrome to take advantage of the sRGB Profile (though the LG's is UltraGear specific), which may help your browser images look a little better. 

Last edited by CGI-Quality - on 07 May 2021

                                                                                                                                                           

Oh that pops all right, absolutely amazing shots! It's overcast today, perfect viewing weather :) That blue looks really nice. Now that looks next gen (and its just an upgrade)



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The stills don't do it justice, either! Next Gen is here!

  • Textures are FABULOUS! Finally reaching a point where nearly everything looks detailed and crisp!

  • Lighting is great (though not quite Metro great, but you know)!

  • The way that wine flowed from the bottle to the glass was truly one of those next gen moments for me. Yes, it is early, but I couldn't help but feel like we are truly reaching that point!


                                                                                                                                                           

That water is gorgeous.



Uncanny! It's a horror game after all, so it fits.