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sc94597 said:
Jumpin said:

Another problem with this grid is that authoritarian and libertarian are both loaded terms and not opposites of one another.

Many people take "libertarian" to mean unfettered laissez-faire/neoliberal capitalist economics - which is a fundamentally authoritarian so long as people within those structures depend on wages and insurance plans for survival and are beholden to contracts; a CEO without red tape is therefore no different from a mini-dictator. Anti-authoritarian measures to regulate the power of corporations are also anti-libertarian. Laws which prevent corporate monopolization are also anti-authoritarian and anti-Libertarian.

The opposite of authoritarianism is not libertarianism, it's anarchism.

Historically, "libertarian" was a synonym for anarchism or the libertarian branch of socialism. In most places it is still used that way, and even in the United States where right-wing liberalism has appropriated the "libertarian" label to an extent that older sense is also still used. 

The first "libertarian" was Joseph Dejacque an early communist anarchist who used the word to circumvent anti-sedition laws in France which prohibited the use of "anarchist." 

The right-wing libertarian is new term to Neo-feudalism



Agente42 said:
sc94597 said:

Historically, "libertarian" was a synonym for anarchism or the libertarian branch of socialism. In most places it is still used that way, and even in the United States where right-wing liberalism has appropriated the "libertarian" label to an extent that older sense is also still used. 

The first "libertarian" was Joseph Dejacque an early communist anarchist who used the word to circumvent anti-sedition laws in France which prohibited the use of "anarchist." 

The right-wing libertarian is new term to Neo-feudalism

Pretty much. "Neofeudalism with extra steps" is the best way to describe it. 



vivster said:
Eagle367 said:

I would say the workplace is a very important part of everyday life for many people so they do have the kind of authority on each of their microscales to be authoritarian. Hell they are authoritarian by virtue of their structure aka owner, board, manager, workers, etc. 

Again, not authoritarian by the political definition. This is about politics, not sociology or philosophy.

If you want to take it broader I could even say my hobbies are authoritarian because I would literally die from depression if I didn't have them, so they are commanding me to do them.

I think it is by the political definition. Economics and Politics are linked very closely



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Eagle367 said:
vivster said:

Again, not authoritarian by the political definition. This is about politics, not sociology or philosophy.

If you want to take it broader I could even say my hobbies are authoritarian because I would literally die from depression if I didn't have them, so they are commanding me to do them.

I think it is by the political definition. Economics and Politics are linked very closely

Yes, but a corporation is not a government and has exactly zero authority. Not over politics or over people. Authority is given, not implied. No one has given authority to corporations and a singular corporation is not needed to govern and can be easily replaced. A governing body is different.

Please don't try to take this further. This is simply about the definition of authoritarianism. I'm not really in the mood to philosophize what authority is.



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vivster said:
Eagle367 said:

I think it is by the political definition. Economics and Politics are linked very closely

Yes, but a corporation is not a government and has exactly zero authority. Not over politics or over people. Authority is given, not implied. No one has given authority to corporations and a singular corporation is not needed to govern and can be easily replaced. A governing body is different.

Please don't try to take this further. This is simply about the definition of authoritarianism. I'm not really in the mood to philosophize what authority is.

No explanation needed. We only need this high level quote from a man with high level ideas.






Since we had all the others, why not try this one out?

https://8values.github.io/



OTBWY said:
vivster said:

Yes, but a corporation is not a government and has exactly zero authority. Not over politics or over people. Authority is given, not implied. No one has given authority to corporations and a singular corporation is not needed to govern and can be easily replaced. A governing body is different.

Please don't try to take this further. This is simply about the definition of authoritarianism. I'm not really in the mood to philosophize what authority is.

No explanation needed. We only need this high level quote from a man with high level ideas.




My brain is spinning right now with all these high IQ ideas



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Flilix said:
Eagle367 said:

Free speech is most definitely a left wing value. Ask Noam Chomsky or Prof Richard Wolff. I'm a true blue lefty and I'm very much pro free speech.

Oh I know that it is (traditionally), but I feel like that is starting to shift. I don't believe that the intollerance towards free speech on 'the left' is already too problematic, but I do feel like it's gradually getting worse and it could get pretty bad in the future.

Parler getting booted off the internet entirely recently certainly got my attention. You could use the same rationales companies put out behind that collective decision to also justify kicking everything from Twitter to YouTube and Facebook and beyond off the internet too. Parler isn't the kind of place where I'd hang out and it was used to organize a riot where five people died. Facebook has been used, among other things, to help facilitate a full-scale genocide by the government of Myanmar but it wasn't expelled from the internet as a result.



about what I expected.



Apparently Im a "pacifists and anti-war", and very liberal when it comes to culture wars.



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