By using this site, you agree to our Privacy Policy and our Terms of Use. Close

Forums - Sales Discussion - Global Hardware Dec 13-19 - Switch Sales Top 75M, PS5 Tops 4M

eva01beserk said:
sales2099 said:

I agree, launch demand settles down and that’s when the 2021 lineup kicks in. I am confident it’s better then many assume. 

Pc and console gamers are not the same. Yes there is an unknown overlap percentage but many are either one or the other. Console casuals also gaming on PC seems silly to me, as does people being fine playing high graphics games on bare minimum settings. There’s a big variety in tastes and demographics. I can see Series S appealing to kids (and parents on a budget) for example. 

Otherwise you pretty much nailed MSs philosophy. If people gonna be gaming on PC and laptops no matter what, better off bringing Xbox to them. 

Many assume? Nobody is asuming anything, its what MS has told us. Can they surprise us in a future event? Of course they can, any company can release a bombshell at any given moment. But looking at the history of xbox, its more likely that sony releases another bombshell on this packed year than it is for MS to release one on the baren year. 

Im not saying pc and console gamers are the same. You are trying to turn it into that. Im clerly saying that everyone has and or needs some type of PC for either work, school or any other need and once entry level products reach the capacity of the series s, there is no way anybody is gona choose to also buy a series s.

Nope. thats you flip floping. The argument was if the series s was gona be the run away succes MS are making it out to be. and you belived it. Now your trying to say that even if your prediction fails you win either way. 

Well if you want something more grounded in fact, let’s take into account Bethesda skipped any summer showcase event and has stayed largely quiet for 2020. They are highly likely to spill details of multiple games once the acquisition goes through. That’s gonna be much bigger then any 1 game announcement Sony can surprise us with. Also it’s been 3 years since Forza Horizon made a sequel in a IP that takes 2 years to make one. Just another example that there’s plenty to be announced, arguably more so on team Xbox. 

Ok so PC gamers play Xbox games on PC. Fantastic. Still plenty of demographics that the Series S would appeal to.
Yes, I (narrative wise) and Xbox wins either way with PC expansion. That’s kinda their plan this gen. But god knows plenty of console only gamers are going to buy Series S, whether it be kids or console gamers of other brands buying one as a cheap secondary console. Just a couple examples. 



Xbox: Best hardware, Game Pass best value, best BC, more 1st party genres and multiplayer titles. 

 

Around the Network

Pretty sure the end of 2020 The Switch Surpassed the 3DS life time sales.



Alcyon said:
Bofferbrauer2 said:

In fact, no console who was the strongest on the market ever won a console generation before the PS4, totally negating his argument:

2nd Gen Atari 2600 won, Atari 5200, Colecovision and the Intellivison were more powerful

3rd Gen: NES won, Master System and PC Engine were more powerful

4th Gen: SNES won, NEo-Geo and SupergraphX were more powerful

5th Gen: PSOne won, N64 was more powerful

6th Gen: PS2 won, Xbox and Gamecube were more powerful

7th gen: Wii won, PS3 and Xbox 360 were more powerful

8th gen: PS4 won, and was also the most powerful unless you want to count the One X

2nd Gen Atari 2600 was released in 1977. Atari 5200 and Colecovision were released 5 years later (one year before the market crash). The only console in your list released "only" one year later was the Intellvision, and when you notice that the console was 50% more expensive (and 300 bucks in 1978 was REALLY expensive for a gadget), you can understand the result easily.

3rd gen Nes Was released in 2983 (so this 3rds gen console was a competitor of some of the 2nd gen consoles, go wonder why they failed so hard) while the Master System was released in 1985. But ok, let's accept that as a "win" for the weaker console.

4rd: Are you kidding us? In the 90s, we wanted a Neo-Geo. But the price was WAYYYYYYY to high. More than 3 times the price of a Super Nes and let's not even talk about the price of the games. At this point, they are not even in direct competition. For the SupergraphX, the price was also too high, and you had to buy several add-ons too. At this point, you could be explaining why a DS "won" against a PS3/Wii/X360.

5th: PS1 was released in 1994, 2 years before the Nintendo 64. But the consoles are so different (CD vs cartridge) and you don't even take that into account for the "power". What's more powerful, a Formula 1 or a Boeing 747?

6th: at least now the consoles are similar enough for the comparaison to make sense (at least for Xbox and PS2, the Gamecub was still an oddity). Again Microsoft released their console late and their marketting was already a disaster. But the PS2 was also marketted as a DVD reader, while the XBox required an external IR adapter. But ok, let's take it as a win.

7th: at least now we can talk. Yeah the Wii was the least powerful console, the prices were not so different and there wasn't an additionnal "bonus" (like a DVD player).

8th: if you start to bring the iteration launch really late ....

So yeah, if you release your console one year before the next gen AND are in direct competition with this new gen, you won't win the generation. Yeah, if your console is 3 times more expensive, you won't win the generation. Yeah, if your console lacks basic features, you won't win the generation. And we can add the marketting failure from Microsoft, when will they learn that a console is primary sold for, you know, playing games?

Oh, on a general topic note and the launch of the new Xbox is a failure, at least in Japan (nobody wants that console, and please moderators, this is a fact from the charts: 382 consoles  sold in a week is a disaster) and Europe (there isn't much supply issue for the Series S and outsold by the PS4). The console is already behind the PS5 in the US, unlexx they can find some exclusives to make people buy their console, the ratio PS5/Xbox Series will be higher than the PS/XOne=2.33. The current ratio PS5/Xbox Series is already at 1.89 and the PS5 has huge supply issues.

Let me remind you what this all is about: @brute claimed that weaker consoles never achieved much. I just pointed out that the stronger consoles never won their generation before the PS4 came around.

Now, what you did is cherry-picking at it's finest to come to the conclusion that the weaker consoles didn't win their gen because they don't count for some ludicrous reason. Seriously, was that an attempt at trolling me? Because it very much felt like this to me.

Also, some things to consider:

the Master System is just a slightly upgraded SG-1000 from 1983, which by itself was already more powerful than the NES/Famicom. So even your argument that the Master System launched 2 years after the NES doesn't work anymore.

You come with the argument that a console that is stronger but 2 years newer doesn't count anymore. Then the SNES would need to be removed from the count too, since the Megadrive (I refuse to call it Genesis) released over 2 years before Nintendo's console. But since it won, you let it pass, otherwise your own argument would be invalidated.

Why are N64 and Gamecube out for being somewhat different in where their games come from (not CD or DVD, but Cartridge and MiniDVD)? You're not making sense here, apart from not finding any good argument to invalidate that they were stronger than their Sony counterparts of that generation.

@bolded: Nobody would claim that XS wouldn't fail in Japan, that was known from the start. It managed however to stay on par with the XBO, so there's that at least. But you completely fail to acknowledge here that the PS5 is also failing in Japan, so much so that the Wii U and Vita are both largely outselling it launch-aligned over there.

@italic: PS5 isn't the only console that has severe stock issues; the XS also does. In fact, Microsoft recently asked AMD to get more chips so they can produce more consoles, as they are also crippled by massive demand overload, just like Sony does. So let's see if the ratio still holds true in half a year when the stock issues should all be resolved.

Last edited by Bofferbrauer2 - on 06 January 2021

Yeah he didn't say the Series have not stock issues, he said that the Series S hasn't stock issues in Europe



"Quagmire, are you the type of guy who takes 'no' for an answer ?"
"My lawyer doesn't allow me to answer that question"

PSN ID: skmblake | Feel free to add me

Of course, Europe is a HUGE market for PlayStation, as for Xbox, not so much



Around the Network

100%, the switch is likely to hit around 76.7 Million by the end of 2020, we just got to wait and see



sales2099 said:
eva01beserk said:

Many assume? Nobody is asuming anything, its what MS has told us. Can they surprise us in a future event? Of course they can, any company can release a bombshell at any given moment. But looking at the history of xbox, its more likely that sony releases another bombshell on this packed year than it is for MS to release one on the baren year. 

Im not saying pc and console gamers are the same. You are trying to turn it into that. Im clerly saying that everyone has and or needs some type of PC for either work, school or any other need and once entry level products reach the capacity of the series s, there is no way anybody is gona choose to also buy a series s.

Nope. thats you flip floping. The argument was if the series s was gona be the run away succes MS are making it out to be. and you belived it. Now your trying to say that even if your prediction fails you win either way. 

Well if you want something more grounded in fact, let’s take into account Bethesda skipped any summer showcase event and has stayed largely quiet for 2020. They are highly likely to spill details of multiple games once the acquisition goes through. That’s gonna be much bigger then any 1 game announcement Sony can surprise us with. Also it’s been 3 years since Forza Horizon made a sequel in a IP that takes 2 years to make one. Just another example that there’s plenty to be announced, arguably more so on team Xbox. 

Ok so PC gamers play Xbox games on PC. Fantastic. Still plenty of demographics that the Series S would appeal to.
Yes, I (narrative wise) and Xbox wins either way with PC expansion. That’s kinda their plan this gen. But god knows plenty of console only gamers are going to buy Series S, whether it be kids or console gamers of other brands buying one as a cheap secondary console. Just a couple examples. 

So what. Bethesda will still mot be  bought untill sometime this summer or something. And they already said they will respect all previous contracts so they are not gona pull anything schedule at least for this year.

I would assume in forzas case than a 7th entry of a forza game would not be such a good thing for the one so they held it for the series s and x. Thats very possible to come out this year. Will anybody be shocked that another forza is coming? Nobody will. That thing is like call of duty and FIFA.

I'm sure there will be plenty of people buying series s. As many as x? He'll no. And only untill the end of this year. Then it will become obsolete. Wich again brings back the point, it will not outsell the series x. Before you try to spin it again. I'm not bringing up amything about how well xbox will sell if it will be successful or not, just that between the 2 the x will come out on top.

I know I sometimes think you say something when you are agreeing to something. But can you blame me? I'm like 90% sure you are a MS employee. I just don't have the hacking skills to proove it. And if you ask why I think so its simple. There are many fans out there but they at least compare the competition to own them or whatever. You talk like a pr guy who believes the Xbox its in is own little universe where only what it does affects its success. So as long as it's better than before you think its good enoughf. While regular people see the competition also improving and they are not competing just against their past inmage but against the inmage of the competition that is also improving and they are still far behind. Its not about "its coming, just wait a bit more", its than right now the competition is killing it and looking like they will do even better when MS is barely starting.



It takes genuine talent to see greatness in yourself despite your absence of genuine talent.

eva01beserk said:
sales2099 said:

Well if you want something more grounded in fact, let’s take into account Bethesda skipped any summer showcase event and has stayed largely quiet for 2020. They are highly likely to spill details of multiple games once the acquisition goes through. That’s gonna be much bigger then any 1 game announcement Sony can surprise us with. Also it’s been 3 years since Forza Horizon made a sequel in a IP that takes 2 years to make one. Just another example that there’s plenty to be announced, arguably more so on team Xbox. 

Ok so PC gamers play Xbox games on PC. Fantastic. Still plenty of demographics that the Series S would appeal to.
Yes, I (narrative wise) and Xbox wins either way with PC expansion. That’s kinda their plan this gen. But god knows plenty of console only gamers are going to buy Series S, whether it be kids or console gamers of other brands buying one as a cheap secondary console. Just a couple examples. 

So what. Bethesda will still mot be  bought untill sometime this summer or something. And they already said they will respect all previous contracts so they are not gona pull anything schedule at least for this year.

I would assume in forzas case than a 7th entry of a forza game would not be such a good thing for the one so they held it for the series s and x. Thats very possible to come out this year. Will anybody be shocked that another forza is coming? Nobody will. That thing is like call of duty and FIFA.

I'm sure there will be plenty of people buying series s. As many as x? He'll no. And only untill the end of this year. Then it will become obsolete. Wich again brings back the point, it will not outsell the series x. Before you try to spin it again. I'm not bringing up amything about how well xbox will sell if it will be successful or not, just that between the 2 the x will come out on top.

I know I sometimes think you say something when you are agreeing to something. But can you blame me? I'm like 90% sure you are a MS employee. I just don't have the hacking skills to proove it. And if you ask why I think so its simple. There are many fans out there but they at least compare the competition to own them or whatever. You talk like a pr guy who believes the Xbox its in is own little universe where only what it does affects its success. So as long as it's better than before you think its good enoughf. While regular people see the competition also improving and they are not competing just against their past inmage but against the inmage of the competition that is also improving and they are still far behind. Its not about "its coming, just wait a bit more", its than right now the competition is killing it and looking like they will do even better when MS is barely starting.

So what? Lol ok. I actually heard March. I wouldn’t dismiss their projects so easily. And any comments about respecting existing contracts refers to Ghostwire and Deathloop. Anything unannounced or platforms unannounced is open season.

Series S is meant for casuals imo. Next year is still a fresh gen. I feel over the course of the gen the Series S will pull ahead. Once the 1st party does their assembly line one after the other anything is possible demand wise. We just have to come to terms that a lot of people don’t really care about specs as much as price. If it can play a game then fantastic. 

Hey im flattered, I’m just a fan who likes for the most part where they at, where they going and the games they making. I don’t consider Nintendo direct competition so their success is great to me. Sony is doing their thing but it’s also very traditional. I like the idea that if you can’t beat them by their rules, change the game. Hence Xbox has expanded into PC and mobile streaming where Sony largely isn’t following. Everybody wins. 



Xbox: Best hardware, Game Pass best value, best BC, more 1st party genres and multiplayer titles. 

 

VMCJonCarter said:

Pretty sure the end of 2020 The Switch Surpassed the 3DS life time sales.

Switch will easily overtake 3DS numbers with the upcoming numbers for the week ending 26th of December.

It's only 800k short and guaranteed to sell well over a million for the week.



Bet with Liquidlaser: I say PS5 and Xbox Series will sell more than 56 million combined by the end of 2023.

I don't know about other countries in Europe but in mine (Spain) the S is very hard to find. You can find one but they are sold very quickly. Of course, stock seems very low.