Forums - Sales Discussion - Will Astro's Playroom outsell Wii Sports and become the highest selling console exclusive?

BraLoD said:
peachbuggy said:

Lol! All i need to say is, read this thread, be enlightened about Wii Sports, open your eyes. It seems that the main thing you were completely ill-informed about was the worldwide phenomenon that wii sports was and possibly still is. Yet you are still trying to compare it with equality to a free app that likely most ps5 consumers won't even know about? Lol indeed!

Why do I need to "open my eyes" to a game that was a mandatory sale with a console being equal a game that is a mandatory sale to another console?

It's that simple.

As I told someone else, you can call Wii Sports a phenomenom as much as you like, the fact it sold as a mandatory part of the Wii outside of Japan is the only fact that matters to the point I'm making.

I'm not the one picking up straws here.

As I pointed out in my other post, there is clear and convincing evidence that Wii Sports would be one of the top selling games ever with or without bundling. To ignore the evidence that most, people who owned Wii Sports wanted to own Wii Sports is to be willfully ignorant. 

The point of comparing sales is to compare relative success of games. Aside from potentially scoring a point on a technicality for Sony fans, there's no logical reason for comparison. The fact that two games are both bundled does not preclude logical unbiased individuals from concluding that Wii Sports' success will absolutely dwarf that of Astro's Playroom, rendering a comparison pointless. Up to you if you're going to be a part of that group.

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peachbuggy said:
BraLoD said:

Why do I need to "open my eyes" to a game that was a mandatory sale with a console being equal a game that is a mandatory sale to another console?

It's that simple.

As I told someone else, you can call Wii Sports a phenomenom as much as you like, the fact it sold as a mandatory part of the Wii outside of Japan is the only fact that matters to the point I'm making.

I'm not the one picking up straws here.

1. Nobody was forced to buy Wii sports. They by and large chose to, either directly or indirectly. The Wii basically WAS Wii sports at the beginning.

2. The fact that you continue to classify a pack-in which probably over half of the consumers won't even be aware of, with equal status to the best selling game of all time really shows your ignorance to the subject. Your eyes won't be opened, as you refuse to open them. I could probably link several youtube videos to show what a pivotal and important game Wii sports was. Yes, a phenomenon.  However, the mere fact that you are purposefully oblivious to it means it will be akin to beating my head against a brick wall. Therefore, i won't bother as i really can't be bothered to explain something that simply doesn't need explaining.

My "strawman" is literally the WHOLE point!

I'm done here. 

Everybody that bought it outside of Japan was indeed forced to get Wii Sports for basically it's entire lifetime, that's a fact.

I'm not oblivious to anything, I'm very aware of the facts, you can call me ignorante, exaggerate, cry or bash your hear against the wall, nothing of that will ever change the fact that Wii Sports was a mandatory purchase when getting the Wii, exactly as Astro's Playroom will be when getting the PS5.

That's the beauty of facts, your opinion doesn't mean anything against them.



JWeinCom said:
BraLoD said:

Why do I need to "open my eyes" to a game that was a mandatory sale with a console being equal a game that is a mandatory sale to another console?

It's that simple.

As I told someone else, you can call Wii Sports a phenomenom as much as you like, the fact it sold as a mandatory part of the Wii outside of Japan is the only fact that matters to the point I'm making.

I'm not the one picking up straws here.

As I pointed out in my other post, there is clear and convincing evidence that Wii Sports would be one of the top selling games ever with or without bundling. To ignore the evidence that most, people who owned Wii Sports wanted to own Wii Sports is to be willfully ignorant. 

The point of comparing sales is to compare relative success of games. Aside from potentially scoring a point on a technicality for Sony fans, there's no logical reason for comparison. The fact that two games are both bundled does not preclude logical unbiased individuals from concluding that Wii Sports' success will absolutely dwarf that of Astro's Playroom, rendering a comparison pointless. Up to you if you're going to be a part of that group.

The fact you have to use the word "would" means it did not happen.

That's exactly what this is about, you can imagine whatever you like, reality is the only thing that matters, and in reality both Wii Sports and Astro's Playroom are mandatory games tied to a hardware purchase.

I don't need to score any points for Sony, but it seems you clearly need to score them for Nintendo when you are using opinion against facts.

It's ok, I never said Wii Sports wasn't important of anything of the sort, that's on people trying to pick straws against a simple hard could fact: both are mandatory sales tied with hardware purchases, that's exactly what they are.



BraLoD said:
JWeinCom said:

As I pointed out in my other post, there is clear and convincing evidence that Wii Sports would be one of the top selling games ever with or without bundling. To ignore the evidence that most, people who owned Wii Sports wanted to own Wii Sports is to be willfully ignorant. 

The point of comparing sales is to compare relative success of games. Aside from potentially scoring a point on a technicality for Sony fans, there's no logical reason for comparison. The fact that two games are both bundled does not preclude logical unbiased individuals from concluding that Wii Sports' success will absolutely dwarf that of Astro's Playroom, rendering a comparison pointless. Up to you if you're going to be a part of that group.

The fact you have to use the word "would" means it did not happen.

That's exactly what this is about, you can imagine whatever you like, reality is the only thing that matters, and in reality both Wii Sports and Astro's Playroom are mandatory games tied to a hardware purchase.

I don't need to score any points for Sony, but it seems you clearly need to score them for Nintendo when you are using opinion against facts.

It's ok, I never said Wii Sports wasn't important of anything of the sort, that's on people trying to pick straws against a simple hard could fact: both are mandatory sales tied with hardware purchases, that's exactly what they are.

No, I actually presented you with a ton of facts. You just ignored them. I had a long post written up, but since the last one I wrote was completely ignored, I'll just give you one fact.

You want to throw out all bundled sales? Fine. All mandatory sales, don't count, whatever. Wii Sports still sold over 10 million copies that were not bundled which is a fact. So, unless Astro's Playroom gets unbundled at some point and still sells that many copies, Wii Sports was a better selling exclusive. 

As pointless as the comparison would be, the only way Astro's Playroom would come out on top would be by including bundled sales. Also since bundled sales don't count, Astro's Playroom will most likely go down as the worst selling exclusive in gaming history, and Wii Sports will still probably comfortably be in the top 20 or 30 depending on how you count all the Pokemon SKUs.

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JWeinCom said:

No, I actually presented you with a ton of facts. You just ignored them. I had a long post written up, but since the last one I wrote was completely ignored, I'll just give you one fact.

You want to throw out all bundled sales? Fine. Wii Sports still sold over 10 million copies that were not bundled that is a fact. So, unless Astro's Playroom gets unbundled at some point and still sells that many copies, Wii Sports was a better selling exclusive. 

As pointless as the comparison would be, the only way Astro's Playroom would come out on top would be by including bundled sales. Also since bundled sales don't count, Charlie's Angels for Gamecube will probably wind up outselling Astro's Playroom.

Alternative facts you mean.



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If it is pre-installed (as in no disc), not available anywhere on a physical disc, and it is just a bundle, then in my eyes it doesn't count. If it is sold separately for an actual price (not free), anywhere, then I say all of them can count

Last edited by badskywalker - on 21 September 2020

badskywalker said:

If it is pre-installed (as in no disc), not available anywhere on a physical disc, and it is just a bundle, then in my eyes it doesn't count. If it is sold separately for an actual price (not free), anywhere, then I say all of them can count

This is true.