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Forums - Sales Discussion - August NPD 2020: Switch 504k, PS4 197k, XBO 45k

Bofferbrauer2 said:
Mandalore76 said:

Except they aren't.  I can readily & easily purchase a PS4 or an XBox One in the US right now, but I cannot do the same for a Nintendo Switch console, unless I want to pay a scalper on Amazon or Walmart.

Here's Best Buys console results for example:

Model: HADSKABAA
 
SKU: 6364255
$299.9

SOLD OUT

Model: HADSKAAAA
 
SKU: 6364253
$299.99
SOLD OUT
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Model: 234-00001
 
SKU: 6415222
$299.99
ADD TO CART
Model: 3002337
 
SKU: 5850905
$299.99
ADD TO CART

Just checked at nowinstock, and all three have supply issues. However, the PS4 is available at Gamestop and the Pro at Amazon for their normal retail price, while the Switch is nowhere available unless you pay extreme scalper prices. Meanwhile, the XBO is only available through Microsoft store, others don't even have scalpers units anymore.

So all the consoles still have some supply issues, though they seem to be a bit less severe for Sony and more severe for Microsoft and Nintendo.

I go to the individual stores websites to see what they actually have available.  Nowinstock doesn't even show Best Buy or Target.  The PS4 I can still drop into my shopping cart and click ready for check out at Best Buy, Target, and Gamestop.  Best Buy would even deliver tomorrow, or set up curbside pick-up.

Item Availability
Pickup
Best Buy Curbside Pickup is available in checkout
FREE Shipping 
Get it by Fri, Sep 25 if you order within 3hr 51min
Next-Day Delivery is also available in checkout
1 2 3 4 5 6+ Item Quantity
Price
$299.99

Gamestop has both delivery and in store pick-up available as well.

The XBox One  S, while it is no longer showing the stock I saw at Best Buy yesterday, I can also still add to my shopping cart for shipping from Target.  The nearest Target to me is showing that I can even walk in and purchase one. 

Xbox One S 1TB Console

$299.99
Pick up today at
Edit store
Pick it up
Ready within 4 hours for pickup inside the store.
Aisle F27

Gamestop isn't showing store pick-up available, but it is still in stock for shipping:

Added to Cart
Xbox One S White 1TB
Platform: Xbox One
Edition: White
Condition: New
Product Replacement Plan: No replacement plan

In Stock

Quantity: 1
Price: 
$299.99


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Welfare said:
All hardware is selling out because of COVID. PS4 and XB1 aren't affected by Animal Crossing yet they all jumped by near similar amounts (percentage) at the same time in March. Lock downs started in mid March and that directly caused all hardware to sell out because people have nothing else to do. This is what happened in 2009 with the 2008 Recession. Video games gets boosted in times like this. The only reason PS4 and XB1 aren't selling more is because they are producing fewer units than years before and were not expected to sell this much at this point in the year.

Animal Crossing could not have come out and Switch would still be selling the same as it is now.

So what about april, may, and June? Were the percentages the same?



MasonADC said:
Welfare said:
All hardware is selling out because of COVID. PS4 and XB1 aren't affected by Animal Crossing yet they all jumped by near similar amounts (percentage) at the same time in March. Lock downs started in mid March and that directly caused all hardware to sell out because people have nothing else to do. This is what happened in 2009 with the 2008 Recession. Video games gets boosted in times like this. The only reason PS4 and XB1 aren't selling more is because they are producing fewer units than years before and were not expected to sell this much at this point in the year.

Animal Crossing could not have come out and Switch would still be selling the same as it is now.

So what about april, may, and June? Were the percentages the same?

Xbox One and PS4 actually went up MOM in April compared to Switch going down.

April/May was when Nintendo started prioritizing US and Europe over Japan and elsewhere so sales didn't fall as much as they could have considering the sell outs.

April was when all built up supply for PS4 and XB1 were sold through as May was a dead heat between both because they barely had any supply left over.

After March the comparison isn't valid because Switch isn't planned to be replaced this year and had production ramps while PS4/XB1 were slowing down in anticipation for next gen. June shows this with XB1 as production ceased for the One X and SAD and were both sold out by late June. PS4 as well starts to show this and July on shows the potential that Sony is employing similar strats to Nintendo where they prioritize US and Europe over Japan. 



Won bet with t3mporary_126 - I correctly predicted that the Wii U's LTD at the end of 2014 would be closer to 9 million than 10 million. http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=6673287

Welfare said:
MasonADC said:

So what about april, may, and June? Were the percentages the same?

Xbox One and PS4 actually went up MOM in April compared to Switch going down.

April/May was when Nintendo started prioritizing US and Europe over Japan and elsewhere so sales didn't fall as much as they could have considering the sell outs.

April was when all built up supply for PS4 and XB1 were sold through as May was a dead heat between both because they barely had any supply left over.

After March the comparison isn't valid because Switch isn't planned to be replaced this year and had production ramps while PS4/XB1 were slowing down in anticipation for next gen. June shows this with XB1 as production ceased for the One X and SAD and were both sold out by late June. PS4 as well starts to show this and July on shows the potential that Sony is employing similar strats to Nintendo where they prioritize US and Europe over Japan. 

Ma’am I don’t want to sound offensive but comparing “percentage jump” is a bit buffoonery. Simply because there are different baseline for each console. Both Xbox and PS4 were trending downward for years already before COVID hit. The switch has been selling incredibly well and has never slowed down. So the fact that the jump in percentage are similar makes your comparison doo doo.💩💩💩

The baseline was not zero. Switch was breaking records in 2019 too. This is like statistic 101. The switch adds to already record breaking run. PS4 and Xbox were RECOVERING the downward spiral. They are NOT remotely similar in any shape or form. 



BlackBeauty said:
Welfare said:

Xbox One and PS4 actually went up MOM in April compared to Switch going down.

April/May was when Nintendo started prioritizing US and Europe over Japan and elsewhere so sales didn't fall as much as they could have considering the sell outs.

April was when all built up supply for PS4 and XB1 were sold through as May was a dead heat between both because they barely had any supply left over.

After March the comparison isn't valid because Switch isn't planned to be replaced this year and had production ramps while PS4/XB1 were slowing down in anticipation for next gen. June shows this with XB1 as production ceased for the One X and SAD and were both sold out by late June. PS4 as well starts to show this and July on shows the potential that Sony is employing similar strats to Nintendo where they prioritize US and Europe over Japan. 

Ma’am I don’t want to sound offensive but comparing “percentage jump” is a bit buffoonery. Simply because there are different baseline for each console. Both Xbox and PS4 were trending downward for years already before COVID hit. The switch has been selling incredibly well and has never slowed down. So the fact that the jump in percentage are similar makes your comparison doo doo.💩💩💩

The baseline was not zero. Switch was breaking records in 2019 too. This is like statistic 101. The switch adds to already record breaking run. PS4 and Xbox were RECOVERING the downward spiral. They are NOT remotely similar in any shape or form. 

Bold: He's not saying that. He's saying that the pandemic boosted all consoles by a similar percentage.

No one's trying to take anything away from Switch's success or "record breaking run".



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Replicant said:
BlackBeauty said:

Ma’am I don’t want to sound offensive but comparing “percentage jump” is a bit buffoonery. Simply because there are different baseline for each console. Both Xbox and PS4 were trending downward for years already before COVID hit. The switch has been selling incredibly well and has never slowed down. So the fact that the jump in percentage are similar makes your comparison doo doo.💩💩💩

The baseline was not zero. Switch was breaking records in 2019 too. This is like statistic 101. The switch adds to already record breaking run. PS4 and Xbox were RECOVERING the downward spiral. They are NOT remotely similar in any shape or form. 

Bold: He's not saying that. He's saying that the pandemic boosted all consoles by a similar percentage.

No one's trying to take anything away from Switch's success or "record breaking run".

?? it’s much easier to get big percentage boost from a lower baseline versus a higher one. What’s not to get here?

”Similar percentage” is not the whole story. These consoles were not “boosted” the same way at all. I’m repetiting myself here....



BlackBeauty said:
Replicant said:

Bold: He's not saying that. He's saying that the pandemic boosted all consoles by a similar percentage.

No one's trying to take anything away from Switch's success or "record breaking run".

?? it’s much easier to get big percentage boost from a lower baseline versus a higher one. What’s not to get here?

”Similar percentage” is not the whole story. These consoles were not “boosted” the same way at all. I’m repetiting myself here....

No, I get that.

It is indeed a more impressive boost by the Switch. I just don't think his point was to talk more/less impressive.



BlackBeauty said:
Replicant said:

Bold: He's not saying that. He's saying that the pandemic boosted all consoles by a similar percentage.

No one's trying to take anything away from Switch's success or "record breaking run".

?? it’s much easier to get big percentage boost from a lower baseline versus a higher one. What’s not to get here?

”Similar percentage” is not the whole story. These consoles were not “boosted” the same way at all. I’m repetiting myself here....

Yes they were. 

Explain why sales for PS4/XB1 went up in April, breaking April records for both?

And to your previous post, percentage increases are translatable between multiple products in the same industry. It's how you can directly compare how well or bad certain items do on how they perform against the normal seasonal changes and if big events happen.

Percentages don't care if the product was "trending down". If an event happens that boosts the industry by 3x, it's expected that at least a good majority see something similar to that boost. Doesn't matter if sales start at 10, 100, or 100K.

Switch is selling out since March in quantities never before seen for the platform. It is keeping that up by increasing production and shipments.

XB1/PS4 have been selling out since March in quantities not seen before for the platforms. They can't keep up because production is slowing in favor of next gen replacing them in a few months.



Won bet with t3mporary_126 - I correctly predicted that the Wii U's LTD at the end of 2014 would be closer to 9 million than 10 million. http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=6673287

Welfare said:
BlackBeauty said:

?? it’s much easier to get big percentage boost from a lower baseline versus a higher one. What’s not to get here?

”Similar percentage” is not the whole story. These consoles were not “boosted” the same way at all. I’m repetiting myself here....

Yes they were. 

Explain why sales for PS4/XB1 went up in April, breaking April records for both?

And to your previous post, percentage increases are translatable between multiple products in the same industry. It's how you can directly compare how well or bad certain items do on how they perform against the normal seasonal changes and if big events happen.

Percentages don't care if the product was "trending down". If an event happens that boosts the industry by 3x, it's expected that at least a good majority see something similar to that boost. Doesn't matter if sales start at 10, 100, or 100K.

Switch is selling out since March in quantities never before seen for the platform. It is keeping that up by increasing production and shipments.

XB1/PS4 have been selling out since March in quantities not seen before for the platforms. They can't keep up because production is slowing in favor of next gen replacing them in a few months.

Yeah I’m sure you’d agree with this too.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/gbiz-japan-is-xboxs-fastest-growing-market.294203/

I’m going to quote users there:

“Xbox sales up 747% percent from last year amazing.”

“Sales DOUBLE from 10 to 20!” 

That’s how you’re sounding right now...
Percentage don’t care? What are you even talking about?? Lol it’s all relative. I’m OUT this is too much.



BlackBeauty said:
Welfare said:

Yes they were. 

Explain why sales for PS4/XB1 went up in April, breaking April records for both?

And to your previous post, percentage increases are translatable between multiple products in the same industry. It's how you can directly compare how well or bad certain items do on how they perform against the normal seasonal changes and if big events happen.

Percentages don't care if the product was "trending down". If an event happens that boosts the industry by 3x, it's expected that at least a good majority see something similar to that boost. Doesn't matter if sales start at 10, 100, or 100K.

Switch is selling out since March in quantities never before seen for the platform. It is keeping that up by increasing production and shipments.

XB1/PS4 have been selling out since March in quantities not seen before for the platforms. They can't keep up because production is slowing in favor of next gen replacing them in a few months.

Yeah I’m sure you’d agree with this too.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/gbiz-japan-is-xboxs-fastest-growing-market.294203/

I’m going to quote users there:

“Xbox sales up 747% percent from last year amazing.”

“Sales DOUBLE from 10 to 20!” 

That’s how you’re sounding right now...
Percentage don’t care? What are you even talking about?? Lol it’s all relative. I’m OUT this is too much.

Are two things.

One is a console selling on par to Wii and DS peak levels.

Another is a console sale spiral down get up because of the macroeconomic effect. 

The same growth is not the same thing because of type of grow. One is a record breaker and another is surviving sales.