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DonFerrari said:
mZuzek said:

Speak for yourself then, because that's not the case everywhere in the world and certainly not on every platform either.

For example, if I wanted to buy Xenoblade Chronicles for the Switch, the digital version costs R$250 here. Physical copy, the cheapest I found is at R$330. These prices are pretty much standard for nearly every Switch game. And yeah, the Switch tends to have higher prices because of it not being an official thing in these parts, but when looking at prices for just about every game at launch, the cheapest physical version you can find is the same price as the digital one, at best.

Also, Steam.

So you use and example of a platform that wasn't officially supported by the manufacturer as example, shame on you.

Shame on me for using an example of a platform I own and buy games for? I can't speak for a platform I don't have, but if you really want me to, I have two game purchase experiences on a console called PlayStation 4.

The first one was gifting Persona 5 to a friend who has a PS4. We bought it on the PSN for R$55, about a year ago. Looking it up online, the cheapest physical copy I found is at R$95.

Then there is the one PS4 game I actually own, which is, um... Persona 5 Royal. I bought a physical copy for R$250, the exact same price it was selling for in the PSN. Of course, in most stores I found, the physical version was listed at higher prices than that, usually around R$300.



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mZuzek said:
DonFerrari said:

So you use and example of a platform that wasn't officially supported by the manufacturer as example, shame on you.

Shame on me for using an example of a platform I own and buy games for? I can't speak for a platform I don't have, but if you really want me to, I have two game purchase experiences on a console called PlayStation 4.

The first one was gifting Persona 5 to a friend who has a PS4. We bought it on the PSN for R$55, about a year ago. Looking it up online, the cheapest physical copy I found is at R$95.

Then there is the one PS4 game I actually own, which is, um... Persona 5 Royal. I bought a physical copy for R$250, the exact same price it was selling for in the PSN. Of course, in most stores I found, the physical version was listed at higher prices than that, usually around R$300.

Yep let's cherrypick to try and make a point.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

Give the publishers absolute control over the distribution of their games and you will never see any worthwile price competition ever again. Prices are rising to 70$ already, even with digital giving them bigger and bigger chunks of the profit, why would they suddenly become better once they have absolute control of their distribution?



You know it deserves the GOTY.

Come join The 2018 Obscure Game Monthly Review Thread.

DonFerrari said:
mZuzek said:

Shame on me for using an example of a platform I own and buy games for? I can't speak for a platform I don't have, but if you really want me to, I have two game purchase experiences on a console called PlayStation 4.

The first one was gifting Persona 5 to a friend who has a PS4. We bought it on the PSN for R$55, about a year ago. Looking it up online, the cheapest physical copy I found is at R$95.

Then there is the one PS4 game I actually own, which is, um... Persona 5 Royal. I bought a physical copy for R$250, the exact same price it was selling for in the PSN. Of course, in most stores I found, the physical version was listed at higher prices than that, usually around R$300.

Yep let's cherrypick to try and make a point.

Sorry for cherrypicking all the cherries I have?



Paper Mario Sticker Star will forever be a reminder to go physical whenever possible, so no I'm not looking forward to a digital future. Of course, Nintendo could implement a refund system, but that's about as likely as people accepting the truth for what it is.



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mZuzek said:
DonFerrari said:

Yep let's cherrypick to try and make a point.

Sorry for cherrypicking all the cherries I have?

Yes, you want to use Switch that wasn't officially represented in the country until now as evidence that digital is cheaper than physical... WiiU while still being supported had digital equal or more expensive.

Them for the thousand of PS4 titles you chose the ones that was more expensive physical (I'm not actually sure Persona was officialy released here anyway).

Do you know that the collective of anedota isn't data right? Even if the whole brazilian gaming market had it as digital being cheaper them physical for console it wouldn`t be a small blimp in the world.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

DonFerrari said:
mZuzek said:

Sorry for cherrypicking all the cherries I have?

Yes, you want to use Switch that wasn't officially represented in the country until now as evidence that digital is cheaper than physical... WiiU while still being supported had digital equal or more expensive.

In the early days of my Wii U, I was stuck with Wind Waker HD for several months as I didn't have enough money to buy another game. When I finally got that money (R$200), I was torn between using it to buy Super Mario 3D World or Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze, physical of course. After thinking about it for a while, I was leaning on the side of DKC, and then one day decided to check the eShop just to see some screens from each game or whatever. It was then that I switched to mostly digital gaming, because for just R$250, I could actually buy both games, which is what I did after saving up a little more. Buying both physically would cost about R$400 at the time.

Either way, the Switch might not have physical games being sold officially in Brazil, but it's had a Brazilian eShop for a while now and I'd be willing to bet real money that no Nintendo game will be sold at a cheaper official price for physical copies than the digital price.



mZuzek said:
DonFerrari said:

Yes, you want to use Switch that wasn't officially represented in the country until now as evidence that digital is cheaper than physical... WiiU while still being supported had digital equal or more expensive.

In the early days of my Wii U, I was stuck with Wind Waker HD for several months as I didn't have enough money to buy another game. When I finally got that money (R$200), I was torn between using it to buy Super Mario 3D World or Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze, physical of course. After thinking about it for a while, I was leaning on the side of DKC, and then one day decided to check the eShop just to see some screens from each game or whatever. It was then that I switched to mostly digital gaming, because for just R$250, I could actually buy both games, which is what I did after saving up a little more. Buying both physically would cost about R$400 at the time.

Either way, the Switch might not have physical games being sold officially in Brazil, but it's had a Brazilian eShop for a while now and I'd be willing to bet real money that no Nintendo game will be sold at a cheaper official price for physical copies than the digital price.

Good luck on that. The cheaper they launch the better for you.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

DonFerrari said:
mZuzek said:

Either way, the Switch might not have physical games being sold officially in Brazil, but it's had a Brazilian eShop for a while now and I'd be willing to bet real money that no Nintendo game will be sold at a cheaper official price for physical copies than the digital price.

Good luck on that. The cheaper they launch the better for you.

No use getting my hopes up for something that won't happen.



WoodenPints said:
Ka-pi96 said:

Yeah if digital was the same (or even cheaper) then it would be a lot better. I don't even mind digital games, I've bought a lot of games digitally. But I still hate the idea of a digital only console exactly because of the higher price.

Older games can be cheap for both physical and digital versions, so they're fine. But for me a day 1 game pretty much has to be physical just because of the price difference. I've even bought PC games day 1 phyiscally before (in the last 10 years I mean, when that's been a weird thing to do) because it was cheaper.

As you said I don't even consider digital viable day one for games when I can get the physical copy £10-15 and a large amount of times the physical copy includes posters, Steelbooks, keyrings or other little touches that add some value not to mention it still hold value if I want to sell it on down the line.

It baffles me how publishers haven't made digital cheaper because if they offer me a £30 digital vs £40 physical I would highly consider it and the publisher would still make the same amount of profit removing retailer/distribution costs and remove used copies something they have been wanting for decades. Steam has also gone to shit this generation for AAA games with it now been the most expensive platform if I wanted to buy a game at launch compared to the start of this generation it was the cheapest which is another consequence of digital been the only choice.

It's because of contracts with retailers. During launch time it's not allowed for the platform holders/publishers to sell the digital version cheaper than the retail version. The reason behind these contracts is because of consoles. The retailers sell the console but as most money (for each party) is made by selling software the retailer wants to make sure that the platform holder/publisher has no advantage in this game for money. If the platform holders/publishers would refuse to make such contracts, many retailers simply would refuse to sell consoles. (Of course, I can't speak for Brazil but to be honest Brazil is irrelevant for representing any kind of standards in the gaming industry).

Besides owning my games, being able to buy and sell used games, being not dependent on digital market operators, being not dependent on internet slow-downs/problems, not being forced to buy huge hard disks and/or avoiding the annoyance of huge downloads/re-downloads (to save space on the hard disks with downloading-deleting and re-downloading) my main reason to stay physical is actually the following: I'm a whole-blood gamer, I'm proud of my hobby and like for any hobby you like to show what you have (to yourself and others). Well, without a physical collection there's actually little to show besides some merchandise but the physical games themselves with their boxes and covers are the bred and butter of the show, like they are for music and movie fans (one of the reason why even some music still comes out on CD - it's because hardcore fans want them as collectibles). Some gamers will not only play games, they are collectors. It's deep in human nature to collect things, all kinds of things. A certain percentage of gamers will always want to collect physical games and the percentage will be just high enough that it will remain lucrative to still make (more expensive) consoles that "eat" physical media and producing physical games. Don't forget, human beings are physical, we want to see, touch and feel and for many there's still a kind of (childlike) joy if we touch a physical game, open the box, take the disc/card out, put it into the console and start the console. Don't underestimate the little joys of everyday life!