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Jerry West got to the NBA finals with three different head coaches which is more impressive than winning four with one the best head coaches of all time who learned a lot from the greatest head coach of all time Phil Jackson. In the NFL Peyton Manning getting to the Super Bowl with four different head coaches and winning two of them is more impressive than Montana and Bradshaw winning four Super Bowls not to mention he ended up with more than enough stats to easily be the second-best quarterback of all time behind Tom Brady. I also consider West a shooting guard that being said he actually played point guard during the final years of his career and is a way better passer than Steph ever was. Steph plays the point but is undersized shooting guard or combo guard and is an average passer at best since he never even came close to leading the league in assists. Jerry West was an above average passer and even an elite passer in three out of his last four season he played since he averaged 9.5 assists in 70-71, 9.7 assists in 71-72, and 8.8 in 72-73. Also, forgot to mention that Jerry West was a way better finisher than Curry also since he got to free throw line over twice as much per game.



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smroadkill15 said:

You really do change goalpost a lot. Curry's not a bad defender. He used to be more of a reliability early on, but as of the last few years he's been pretty good. You should look at his defensive ratings during these playoffs. Speaking of Shaq, do you know who his favorite player during the modern era??

If Curry's not in your top 10, that's fine, but stop trying to argue with others why he not actually that good because it makes you look foolish. Everyone pretty much agrees Curry is revolutionary to the modern era of basketball, and you saying he isn't tells me you probably haven't played a pick up game in a very long time.

Actually, the only people that look foolish are the ones that think Curry is a top ten player of all time which he clearly isn't if you look at the whole picture and aren't a prisoner of the moment.



Chris Hu said:
Chrkeller said:

Moving goalposts.  Shaq is one dimensional.  Being one dimensional doesn't mean anything.

As for Steph, he is an all time great, regardless if he is top 15 or top 10.  

How is Shaq one dimensional when he was great at both offense and defense.

You remind me of Nick Wright, you take things too far.  Shaq made a couple 2nd teams....  and now he is "great defensively?"  

It isn't worth debating, given your mind is made up.  I don't care where you place curry, because he is an all time great, full stop. 



Another offseason and it's always something involving Kevin Durant, Kyrie Irving, and the Lakers.

Honestly, if I'm the Nets GM, I would tell KD "You've got 4 years left on your deal and you'll be 37 by the time it's up. And I'm not trading you unless I get a blow-away, Full House deal. Bigger than what the Jazz got for Gobert. So, until that happens, you better just suck it up, go out there, and play."

As for Kyrie, he's most likely gone after this year assuming a deal doesn't get done now or before the trade deadline. And all roads seem to lead to the Lakers. Honestly, if I'm the Lakers, I'd just wait it out. If Kyrie really wants to be there, they can just wait for his current deal to expire and then sign him in FA next offseason without giving up any assets. Because there's no way the Nets would ever agree to a straight up one-on-one swap for Westbrook given how much he'll be making next season.



Chrkeller said:
Chris Hu said:

How is Shaq one dimensional when he was great at both offense and defense.

You remind me of Nick Wright, you take things too far.  Shaq made a couple 2nd teams....  and now he is "great defensively?"  

It isn't worth debating, given your mind is made up.  I don't care where you place curry, because he is an all time great, full stop. 

You can be an all-time great without being close to being in the top ten or even the top ten in the position you play in.  I'm going with the NFL to prove my, point Marcus Allen, Franco Harris, O. J. Simpson, John Elway, Johnny Unitas, Dan Fouts, Steve Young, Terry Bradshaw, Bart Starr, Art Monk, Steve Largent, Michael Irvin, Don Hutson, Elroy Hirsch, Darrell Green, Mel Renfro, John Lynch, Richard Dent, John Randle, Randy White, Warren Sapp, Bob Lilly, and Merlin Olson are all all-time greats without being close to being in the top ten or top ten in their position they played.



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Chet Holmgren great first summer league game solid second game. Nikola Jovic terrible first summer league game, below average second game and great last game. The more noticeable summer league starts in Vegas tomorrow. With the steifel tower leaving the Jazz are the most likely playoff team in the West that will miss the playoffs in the upcoming season.



Chris Hu said:
Chrkeller said:

You remind me of Nick Wright, you take things too far.  Shaq made a couple 2nd teams....  and now he is "great defensively?"  

It isn't worth debating, given your mind is made up.  I don't care where you place curry, because he is an all time great, full stop. 

You can be an all-time great without being close to being in the top ten or even the top ten in the position you play in.  I'm going with the NFL to prove my, point Marcus Allen, Franco Harris, O. J. Simpson, John Elway, Johnny Unitas, Dan Fouts, Steve Young, Terry Bradshaw, Bart Starr, Art Monk, Steve Largent, Michael Irvin, Don Hutson, Elroy Hirsch, Darrell Green, Mel Renfro, John Lynch, Richard Dent, John Randle, Randy White, Warren Sapp, Bob Lilly, and Merlin Olson are all all-time greats without being close to being in the top ten or top ten in their position they played.

The NFL comparison falls flat for me.  A NFL roster has 53 players, NBA has 15 players.  Of course an NFL all time great list is larger than an NBA.

But since we aren't making progress, let us try a different tactic.  Where do you rank Curry?  Top 15?  Top 20?  Top 30?  



Anyone saying Shaq is one dimensional doesn't know basketball.



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ShadowSoldier said:

Anyone saying Shaq is one dimensional doesn't know basketball.

How so?  Did Shaq have a great handle?  Great 3 point shooting ability?  Was he a great passer?  Did he pickup defensively full court?

Shaq was a great paint player....  and had little skills outside the paint...  Look at it this way, if Curry is one dimensional, then by default so is Shaq.  

*Shaq was 1 for 22 from the 3 point line....  for his career.  4.54%...  52% from the foul line....

Here is the thing, Shaq couldn't be stopped.  So my point is being one dimensional doesn't mean anything.  If a player can't be stopped, he can't be stopped.  I don't care if it is the same move over and over and over.

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Chrkeller said:
ShadowSoldier said:

Anyone saying Shaq is one-dimensional doesn't know basketball.

How so?  Did Shaq have a great handle?  Great 3-point shooting ability?  Was he a great passer?  Did he pick up defensively full court?

Shaq was a great paint player....  and had little skills outside the paint...  Look at it this way, if Curry is one-dimensional, then by default, so is Shaq.  

*Shaq was 1 for 22 from the 3-point line....  for his career.  4.54%...  52% from the foul line...

Here is the thing, Shaq couldn't be stopped.  So my point is being one-dimensional doesn't mean anything.  If a player can't be stopped, he can't be stopped.  I don't care if it is the same move over and over and over.

Shaq was an exceptional passer out of double teams; that's why his teams got so many wide-open 3s. Shaq had a baby hook right up to the foul line. Shaq eliminates all paint activity, so they're forced to play on the perimeter, and unlike Rudy (who is the definition of one-dimensional), he punishes people on both ends. He's not perfect, but you don't know shit about basketball if you think Shaq is one-dimensional. Did you even watch him?



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"In video game terms, RPGs are games that involve a form of separate battles taking place with a specialized battle system and the use of a system that increases your power through a form of points.

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