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Chris Hu said:
Shaunodon said:

I picked a larger margin for this game than against the Packers. If you had the same, I was just gonna add another 7 for the Bucs. Tom Brady didn't get to the first home Super Bowl just to 'pass the torch', as the whole media was having fever dreams imagining.

We were told there'd be history with the youngest ever to lift multiple SB trophies. Well last time I checked Tom Brady's daughter is still younger than Mahomeboy

Guess we can lock that record in for good. Either way, it belongs to a Brady :)

Yeah nobody is going to catch Brady in Superbowl wins and appearances.  I doubt there was a player that was on all the Packers Championship teams from the sixties so Brady has more championships then any other NFL player.  The Bucs should be better next year so I like his chances of winning it again next year. 

  If Brady happens to win next year, were talking 8 rings so they will have to look at thumb rings for him after that



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Shaunodon said:
Chris Hu said:

Should have picked the Bucs but I stuck with my season bracket prediction pick. Not really surprised that the Bucs won but I am surprised that they held the Chiefs to single digits in scoring.

I picked a larger margin for this game than against the Packers. If you had the same, I was just gonna add another 7 for the Bucs. Tom Brady didn't get to the first home Super Bowl just to 'pass the torch', as the whole media was having fever dreams imagining.

We were told there'd be history with the youngest ever to lift multiple SB trophies. Well last time I checked Tom Brady's daughter is still younger than Mahomeboy

Guess we can lock that record in for good. Either way, it belongs to a Brady :)

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PAOerfulone said:

Lionel Messi - 6

Michael Jordan - 6

Tom Brady - 7

Messi has won way more than Brady. But that's to be expected due to the number of competitions. 



The Chiefs also have cap issues. Tampa Bay currently has the most cap space in the NFC.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/cap/2021/



Metallox said:
PAOerfulone said:

Lionel Messi - 6

Michael Jordan - 6

Tom Brady - 7

Messi has won way more than Brady. But that's to be expected due to the number of competitions. 

The NFL is the hardest league to get a championship since the average career only lasts a little over three years there is a much higher chance of getting a career ending injury, there is a pretty hard salary cap and a lot more free agent movements each season and there are way more chances each season when it comes to coaching staff and other key personal.  Not sure about Messi since I don't really follow soccer but Jordan's six title didn't really have a high degree of difficulty since he had the same head coach for all titles and he had Pippen for all six titles.  Even though he only won two titles Peyton Manning is my second best quarterback of all time since he got to the title game four times with two different teams and with four different head coaches which is a higher degree of difficulty then Montana and Bradshaw winning four with the same team.



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Well deserved for the Bucs, they went hard on good players and had a SB at home. Chiefs did well too, they were pretty much unchallenged aside from the Bucs.



A disappointing end to an otherwise surprisingly good season amid COVID circumstances.

I'll wrap up the prediction league later. Everyone knows who won what anyway, so there's no urgency for the official conclusion.



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Chris Hu said:
burninmylight said:

Bruh, this ain't 2002. We don't merely look at big numbers and hand out crowns to whomever has them. Giannis had a better per-36 scoring average than Harden last year. The only reason Harden scored more points is because he played 566 more minutes. I'd mention all of the other stats that Giannis owned Harden in, but I don't have all day, and you wouldn't read them anyway.

But since you say "historical", how many players in the history of the league have ever won both MVP and DPOY? Besides the Greak Freek, two: Hakeem Olujawon about 27 years ago, and Michael Jordan.

The fact that Giannis was even in the discussion for DPOY (something that Harden won't even get in the top 100 of for his position, ever) tells you a lot more about his MVP candidacy than "played a lot of minutes at high usage, chucked a lot of shots and got to the line a million times".

Congratulations on beating me this past weekend. You're as great an NFL predictor as you are a horrible an NBA predictor. ;)

If you want to continue this conversation - and I don't get why, because you either completely ignore stats and factual evidence, base your entire logic on the West being the superior conference, or just ignore me altogether - then please quote me and paste it to an appropriate NBA thread so we don't keep going off topic in here.

I'm just as good at predicting NBA results as NFL results just look at 2020 NBA playoffs thread for the proof.  Also the West is still the dominant conference in the NBA a will be so for a while to come.

Is that why you ignored all of my direct posts to you for two straight years after it became clear that Giannis was clearly the best player in the league two years ago? Don't try to act like you don't know what I'm talking about - I quoted you directly to get your attention, and you were clearly active on VGC, yet hid from me when I gave you the chance to put your money where your mouth is with a bet.

Or do you just ignore most of what I say on principle, since you keep ignoring my request to move this discussion to an NBA thread  if you want to continue it.

And here we go again with this tired and lazy "the West is the dominant conference" again, even though that means nothing when it comes to MVP talk. If you're going to start copy-pasting the same t hing you've said a dozen times that has long since been refuted, then I'll just start copy-pasting my replies.



PAOerfulone said:

Lionel Messi - 6

Michael Jordan - 6

Tom Brady - 7

Bill Russell - 11



Chris Hu said:
Metallox said:

Messi has won way more than Brady. But that's to be expected due to the number of competitions. 

The NFL is the hardest league to get a championship since the average career only lasts a little over three years there is a much higher chance of getting a career ending injury, there is a pretty hard salary cap and a lot more free agent movements each season and there are way more chances each season when it comes to coaching staff and other key personal.  Not sure about Messi since I don't really follow soccer but Jordan's six title didn't really have a high degree of difficulty since he had the same head coach for all titles and he had Pippen for all six titles.  Even though he only won two titles Peyton Manning is my second best quarterback of all time since he got to the title game four times with two different teams and with four different head coaches which is a higher degree of difficulty then Montana and Bradshaw winning four with the same team.

That's understandable, but the original reply compared Messi's Ballon d'Or wins, which is an individual award like the MVP, versus Brady's domestic titles, which, while impressive and certainly hard to pull off, it's not the logical comparison to make.