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Chazore said:
AsGryffynn said:

Sadly, no such a company has taken a stand against Apple, so... I work with what I'm given. 

I just don't wanna be that guy who comes back to tell everyone when Epic becomes that eventual top dog position that Apple is currently in. I just want the issue gone by the roots, rather than allowing another stem to sprout when another is cut off. 

That's a political issue and can't be solved by just capitalism. As it stands the only way to have improvement in our current system is to replace a bad monopoly with a slightly better one. Thinking some day a benevolent actor will emerge and wipe away all the bad monopolists is delusional. The reason is that it is not possible to gather vast amounts of wealth without acting immoral and stepping over corpses. To topple a powerful company you need to be powerful yourself and you won't become powerful by being ethical. The only other solution is political intervention.

So just sit back and be glad that at least something is happening. It's not like you can do anything about it anyway. In late stage capitalism there are no friends, just enemies of your enemies.



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Rhonin the wizard said:

Apple has answered and issued a counterclaim against Epic.

I knew it was a matter of time before Apple would counter with defamation. You don't dick over another company and run a smear campaign and get away with defaming the company you are trying to dick around with.  



               

vivster said:

That's a political issue and can't be solved by just capitalism. As it stands the only way to have improvement in our current system is to replace a bad monopoly with a slightly better one. Thinking some day a benevolent actor will emerge and wipe away all the bad monopolists is delusional. The reason is that it is not possible to gather vast amounts of wealth without acting immoral and stepping over corpses. To topple a powerful company you need to be powerful yourself and you won't become powerful by being ethical. The only other solution is political intervention.

So just sit back and be glad that at least something is happening. It's not like you can do anything about it anyway.

It's not even a Capitalistic issue, it's just one person wanting more power, wanting to control what goes on and that they think they have every right to do it, because having lots and lots of money and suckers at your side does that to you (literally, history proves this time and time again).

Epic isn't going to be any better at being a monopoly though, it's literally idiots trading one bad thing for another, and claiming all's right with the world. Then they'll get stung so bad in the ass a few years to decades down the road and then we'll be seeing the same song and dance all over again.

You know how you stop it?, you put laws in place and you basically deny absolute control. Disney nearly had the entire movie industry before your father was even born, and the US decided they had to put in special laws just to prevent Disney from gobbling up everything it saw in sight, and it's clear the same now needs to be done in the tech/games industry. Also, defamation laws really, really need to be ass tight when it comes to crap like this, because this is a case that's as clear as day of how you do not defame another company. 

It's delusional to think Epic will do any better, which is what I'm getting at for those who think everything will be sunshine and rainbows if they won the case. People seem to think that them winning will present trickle down economics, that we'll all benefit somehow, when that's far, far from the case. People need to lay off the Reagan economic studies and start waking up to how fake that concept really is. 

I don't care that I can't do anything. I just want too prevent idiots from thinking they can do the same thing, and growing up to being a spinless coward and a greedy tool like both Tim's. Better for me to nip shitty logic in the bud with regular folk, than tech billionaires who can run their mouth all day. 



               

Chazore said:
vivster said:

That's a political issue and can't be solved by just capitalism. As it stands the only way to have improvement in our current system is to replace a bad monopoly with a slightly better one. Thinking some day a benevolent actor will emerge and wipe away all the bad monopolists is delusional. The reason is that it is not possible to gather vast amounts of wealth without acting immoral and stepping over corpses. To topple a powerful company you need to be powerful yourself and you won't become powerful by being ethical. The only other solution is political intervention.

So just sit back and be glad that at least something is happening. It's not like you can do anything about it anyway.

It's not even a Capitalistic issue, it's just one person wanting more power, wanting to control what goes on and that they think they have every right to do it, because having lots and lots of money and suckers at your side does that to you (literally, history proves this time and time again).

Epic isn't going to be any better at being a monopoly though, it's literally idiots trading one bad thing for another, and claiming all's right with the world. Then they'll get stung so bad in the ass a few years to decades down the road and then we'll be seeing the same song and dance all over again.

You know how you stop it?, you put laws in place and you basically deny absolute control. Disney nearly had the entire movie industry before your father was even born, and the US decided they had to put in special laws just to prevent Disney from gobbling up everything it saw in sight, and it's clear the same now needs to be done in the tech/games industry. Also, defamation laws really, really need to be ass tight when it comes to crap like this, because this is a case that's as clear as day of how you do not defame another company. 

It's delusional to think Epic will do any better, which is what I'm getting at for those who think everything will be sunshine and rainbows if they won the case. People seem to think that them winning will present trickle down economics, that we'll all benefit somehow, when that's far, far from the case. People need to lay off the Reagan economic studies and start waking up to how fake that concept really is. 

I don't care that I can't do anything. I just want too prevent idiots from thinking they can do the same thing, and growing up to being a spinless coward and a greedy tool like both Tim's. Better for me to nip shitty logic in the bud with regular folk, than tech billionaires who can run their mouth all day. 

Not sure how to respond since you just reiterated everything I just said.

It's a capitalism issue because money corrupts.

Can only be stopped politically.

Any kind of monopoly = bad.

However you step over an important point. Yes, it's absolutely undeniable that if Epic ever comes into the position of building a monopoly they're gonna be just as terrible as any other company. The important thing is the time in between. The first step isn't replacing one monopoly with another. First step is to take power away from one monopoly, which is stirring change, mostly to the advantage of the consumer. Big companies fighting against each other is almost always beneficial because companies will have to make concessions to their asshole behavior to appear not evil. That's where the good change happens until everything will gradually gravitate towards a monopoly again. That's the process and has always been this way because capitalism.

Going after Epic for trying to succeed in their own capitalistic plans is like going against AMD for trying to beat Nvidia and Intel. You think they are doing it out of love for the craft and their consumers? Of course not, they would absolutely love to be in the same position as Intel and Nvidia and demand outrageous prices for little progress. Yet we cheer them on because until they are where they want to be they will be the competition and competition is good.



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I'm on Apple's side.

Epic is going against the contract that all developers have to agree when they put an app on App Store. Besides this uniting kids who play fortnite against apple is beyond ridiculous.



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There was a hearing today with the judge regarding the preliminary injunction.

Some snippets in this Twitter thread

Things are not looking good for Epic.

Edit:

Here's another one, with a few more quotes.

And a video from a lawyer going over it.

Last edited by Rhonin the wizard - on 29 September 2020