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PAOerfulone said:
curl-6 said:

The PS4/Vita situation kinda showed that even Sony can't provide an adequate stream of software to two different devices at once now that games are as advanced as they are currently. I can't see them trying a hybrid, they'll probably just concede Japan and settle for being a minor player there.

I was thinking more along the lines of Sony trying to make their next console (PS6) a hybrid and they take their crack at it. But in order for them to have any reasonable shot at making a hybrid that could compete with Switch 2 or 3 depending on the timetable, they have to make a lot of sacrifices in one of two areas: Price or hardware.

1) Sacrificing Price: To have a PS6 that has the graphical/generational leap that one would expect from a next generation console ON TOP of being a hybrid, would require A LOT of manufacturing costs and resources that will jack up the price to absurd degrees. I'm talking $799-899 US retail price, minimum. And a hybrid that powerful would drain the battery like a MF'er, so it would just be used as a console anyways since noone would want to take it out of the dock. Unless Sony felt like losing hundreds of dollars on manufacturing like they did with the PS3, there's no way they would be able to compete at that price. And this is all assuming it'll even be possible by 2027 or whenever PS6 launches. 

2) Sacrificing Power: The more reasonable route would be to sacrifice graphical capabilities and scale back so that they could keep manufacturing costs, and be extension, the retail price, reasonable. But then that would eliminate the biggest advantage they have over Nintendo; Graphics. But then, they'd be losing THAT crowd to Microsoft, so Sony would be at a disadvantage on both sides. Losing the console/graphics battle to Microsoft and losing the handheld battle to Nintendo.

It'd basically be the DS vs PSP, 3DS vs Vita all over again.

To work as a portable they would have to sacrifice power, and with so much of their userbase accustomed to getting competitive graphics on Playstation, I don't think that's a move most of their fans would accept. They'd be effectively losing a big chunk of their global audience just to improve sales in one country, which just doesn't make sense.



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PS4 vs Wii in the US Sales Comparison – PS4 Continues to Close the Gap in July 2020

This monthly series compares the aligned US sales of the PlayStation 4 and Nintendo Wii.

PlayStation 4 Vs. Wii US:

Gap change in latest month: 175,492 - PS4

Gap change over last 12 months: 2,465,163 - PS4

Total Lead: 7,331,881

PlayStation 4 Total Sales: 33,786,031

Wii Total Sales: 41,117,912

July 2020 is the 81st month that the PlayStation 4 has been available for in the US. During the latest month, the gap grew in favor of the PlayStation 4 when compared with the Nintendo Wii during the same timeframe. The PlayStation 4 has caught up to the Wii by 175,492 units and in the last 12 months outsold the Wii by 2.47 million units. The Wii currently leads by 7.33 million units.

Both consoles launched in November in the US. The Wii launched in November 2006, while the PlayStation 4 launched in November 2013. This does mean the holidays for the two consoles do lineup.

The 81st month for the PlayStation 4 is July 2020, while for the Wii it is July 2013. The PlayStation 4 has sold 33.79 million units, while the Wii sold 41.12 million units during the same timeframe.

The Wii sold units 41.70 million lifetime in the US, therefore the PlayStation 4 needs to sell another 7.91 million units to catch up to the lifetime sales of the Wii.



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Doesn’t look to me like the PS4 will catch the Wii in the U.S.
7.91 million is a very tall order for a 7 year old system with a successor coming in 3 months.



curl-6 said:

To work as a portable they would have to sacrifice power, and with so much of their userbase accustomed to getting competitive graphics on Playstation, I don't think that's a move most of their fans would accept. They'd be effectively losing a big chunk of their global audience just to improve sales in one country, which just doesn't make sense.

I'm sure a better supported (with PS4 slim specs) handheld can sell at least 15-20 million outside Japan, they will then need to target at least another 15 million in Japan. A 30-40 million seller handheld doesn't look bad at all to me. If people are buying and playing The Witcher 3 just fine on Switch I think a PS4 portable can sells ok 

The question is whether Sony bother or not to have another PSVita that is successful domestically and not that successful overseas.

JP-focused games aren't exactly jaw-dropping in graphical department, JP fans (target of this possible portable) won't complain to get a downgraded portable version of future PS5 Monster Hunter, Dragon Quest, Persona, Final Fantasy or Nier. In reality I don't even think those games really need a huge downgrade, just a bit lower resolution and a 30 FPS and they must run smoothly (the exception is the new FF that really will try to push strong in graphical side)



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Switch vs 3DS and Wii U in the US Sales Comparison - Switch Lead Tops 3 Million in July 2020

This monthly series compares the aligned US Nintendo Switch sales with the combined Nintendo 3DS and Nintendo Wii U sales.

Switch Vs. 3DS and Wii U USA:

Gap change in latest month: 292,009 - Switch

Gap change over last 12 months: 3,430,658 - Switch

Total Lead: 3,159,311 - Switch

Switch Total Sales: 20,924,285

3DS and Wii U Total Sales: 17,764,974

July 2020 is the 41st month that the Nintendo Switch has been available for in the US. During the latest month, the gap grew in favor of the Switch when compared to the combined sales of the 3DS and Wii U during the same timeframe by 292,009 units. In the last 12 months, the gap has grown in favor of the Switch by 3.43 million units. The Switch is currently ahead of the 3DS and Wii U by 3.16 million units.

The 3DS launched in March 2011 in the US and the Wii U launched in November 2012, while the Nintendo Switch launched in March 2017. The holiday periods between the Switch and 3DS lineup, however, the Wii U holiday is offset from the Switch.

The 41st month for the Nintendo Switch is July 2020, for the Nintendo 3DS it is July 2014 and for the Wii U it is March 2016. The Switch has sold 20.92 million units, while the 3DS and Wii U have sold 17.76 million units during the same timeframe. The 3DS and Wii U did not reach current Switch sales until month 54, when they sold a combined 20.95 million units.

The 3DS and Wii U have sold a combined 29.19 million units in the US. The Switch is currently 8.27 million units behind. The Wii U has been off the market for a few years, while the 3DS is still on the market. However, 3DS sales have shrunk considerably and is selling well under 5,000 units per week.



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IcaroRibeiro said:
curl-6 said:

To work as a portable they would have to sacrifice power, and with so much of their userbase accustomed to getting competitive graphics on Playstation, I don't think that's a move most of their fans would accept. They'd be effectively losing a big chunk of their global audience just to improve sales in one country, which just doesn't make sense.

I'm sure a better supported (with PS4 slim specs) handheld can sell at least 15-20 million outside Japan, they will then need to target at least another 15 million in Japan. A 30-40 million seller handheld doesn't look bad at all to me. If people are buying and playing The Witcher 3 just fine on Switch I think a PS4 portable can sells ok 

The question is whether Sony bother or not to have another PSVita that is successful domestically and not that successful overseas.

JP-focused games aren't exactly jaw-dropping in graphical department, JP fans (target of this possible portable) won't complain to get a downgraded portable version of future PS5 Monster Hunter, Dragon Quest, Persona, Final Fantasy or Nier. In reality I don't even think those games really need a huge downgrade, just a bit lower resolution and a 30 FPS and they must run smoothly (the exception is the new FF that really will try to push strong in graphical side)

It's more a question of games taking more manpower and resources than ever and even Sony not being able to give strong support to two systems at once at PS5/PS4 levels of complexity. They couldn't even manage it with Vita and PS3/PS4. Even Nintendo could no longer support two at once, it's why they unified their handheld and consoles lines with the Switch.

trunkswd said:

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Switch vs 3DS and Wii U in the US Sales Comparison - Switch Lead Tops 3 Million in July 2020

This monthly series compares the aligned US Nintendo Switch sales with the combined Nintendo 3DS and Nintendo Wii U sales.

Switch Vs. 3DS and Wii U USA:

Gap change in latest month: 292,009 - Switch

Gap change over last 12 months: 3,430,658 - Switch

Total Lead: 3,159,311 - Switch

Switch Total Sales: 20,924,285

3DS and Wii U Total Sales: 17,764,974

July 2020 is the 41st month that the Nintendo Switch has been available for in the US. During the latest month, the gap grew in favor of the Switch when compared to the combined sales of the 3DS and Wii U during the same timeframe by 292,009 units. In the last 12 months, the gap has grown in favor of the Switch by 3.43 million units. The Switch is currently ahead of the 3DS and Wii U by 3.16 million units.

The 3DS launched in March 2011 in the US and the Wii U launched in November 2012, while the Nintendo Switch launched in March 2017. The holiday periods between the Switch and 3DS lineup, however, the Wii U holiday is offset from the Switch.

The 41st month for the Nintendo Switch is July 2020, for the Nintendo 3DS it is July 2014 and for the Wii U it is March 2016. The Switch has sold 20.92 million units, while the 3DS and Wii U have sold 17.76 million units during the same timeframe. The 3DS and Wii U did not reach current Switch sales until month 54, when they sold a combined 20.95 million units.

The 3DS and Wii U have sold a combined 29.19 million units in the US. The Switch is currently 8.27 million units behind. The Wii U has been off the market for a few years, while the 3DS is still on the market. However, 3DS sales have shrunk considerably and is selling well under 5,000 units per week.

Up, up, and away. Wii U's a non-factor by now and Switch's trajectory is a mountain to 3DS's hill.



Bet with Liquidlaser: I say PS5 and Xbox Series will sell more than 56 million combined by the end of 2023.

curl-6 said:
IcaroRibeiro said:

I'm sure a better supported (with PS4 slim specs) handheld can sell at least 15-20 million outside Japan, they will then need to target at least another 15 million in Japan. A 30-40 million seller handheld doesn't look bad at all to me. If people are buying and playing The Witcher 3 just fine on Switch I think a PS4 portable can sells ok 

The question is whether Sony bother or not to have another PSVita that is successful domestically and not that successful overseas.

JP-focused games aren't exactly jaw-dropping in graphical department, JP fans (target of this possible portable) won't complain to get a downgraded portable version of future PS5 Monster Hunter, Dragon Quest, Persona, Final Fantasy or Nier. In reality I don't even think those games really need a huge downgrade, just a bit lower resolution and a 30 FPS and they must run smoothly (the exception is the new FF that really will try to push strong in graphical side)

It's more a question of games taking more manpower and resources than ever and even Sony not being able to give strong support to two systems at once at PS5/PS4 levels of complexity. They couldn't even manage it with Vita and PS3/PS4. Even Nintendo could no longer support two at once, it's why they unified their handheld and consoles lines with the Switch.

trunkswd said:

Be sure to share the article here.

Switch vs 3DS and Wii U in the US Sales Comparison - Switch Lead Tops 3 Million in July 2020

This monthly series compares the aligned US Nintendo Switch sales with the combined Nintendo 3DS and Nintendo Wii U sales.

Switch Vs. 3DS and Wii U USA:

Gap change in latest month: 292,009 - Switch

Gap change over last 12 months: 3,430,658 - Switch

Total Lead: 3,159,311 - Switch

Switch Total Sales: 20,924,285

3DS and Wii U Total Sales: 17,764,974

July 2020 is the 41st month that the Nintendo Switch has been available for in the US. During the latest month, the gap grew in favor of the Switch when compared to the combined sales of the 3DS and Wii U during the same timeframe by 292,009 units. In the last 12 months, the gap has grown in favor of the Switch by 3.43 million units. The Switch is currently ahead of the 3DS and Wii U by 3.16 million units.

The 3DS launched in March 2011 in the US and the Wii U launched in November 2012, while the Nintendo Switch launched in March 2017. The holiday periods between the Switch and 3DS lineup, however, the Wii U holiday is offset from the Switch.

The 41st month for the Nintendo Switch is July 2020, for the Nintendo 3DS it is July 2014 and for the Wii U it is March 2016. The Switch has sold 20.92 million units, while the 3DS and Wii U have sold 17.76 million units during the same timeframe. The 3DS and Wii U did not reach current Switch sales until month 54, when they sold a combined 20.95 million units.

The 3DS and Wii U have sold a combined 29.19 million units in the US. The Switch is currently 8.27 million units behind. The Wii U has been off the market for a few years, while the 3DS is still on the market. However, 3DS sales have shrunk considerably and is selling well under 5,000 units per week.

Up, up, and away. Wii U's a non-factor by now and Switch's trajectory is a mountain to 3DS's hill.

So many of these comparisons have inevitable outcomes at this point. When I add in a bunch of new ones with the PS5 and Xbox Series X I'll be dropping some of the current ones. Not sure which ones yet. 



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trunkswd said:
curl-6 said:

It's more a question of games taking more manpower and resources than ever and even Sony not being able to give strong support to two systems at once at PS5/PS4 levels of complexity. They couldn't even manage it with Vita and PS3/PS4. Even Nintendo could no longer support two at once, it's why they unified their handheld and consoles lines with the Switch.

Up, up, and away. Wii U's a non-factor by now and Switch's trajectory is a mountain to 3DS's hill.

So many of these comparisons have inevitable outcomes at this point. When I add in a bunch of new ones with the PS5 and Xbox Series X I'll be dropping some of the current ones. Not sure which ones yet. 

I still think a lot of the ones with inevitable outcomes are still fun to watch, just to see how fast that outcome is reached.



Bet with Liquidlaser: I say PS5 and Xbox Series will sell more than 56 million combined by the end of 2023.

curl-6 said:
trunkswd said:

So many of these comparisons have inevitable outcomes at this point. When I add in a bunch of new ones with the PS5 and Xbox Series X I'll be dropping some of the current ones. Not sure which ones yet. 

I still think a lot of the ones with inevitable outcomes are still fun to watch, just to see how fast that outcome is reached.

Yeah true. Still interesting to see when the inevitable happens. 

For future ones I am thinking:

  • XSX vs PS5
  • XSX vs Switch
  • XSX vs Xbox One
  • XSX vs Xbox 360
  • PS5 vs Switch
  • PS5 vs PS4
  • PS5 vs PS3


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Writer of the Sales Comparison | Weekly Hardware Breakdown Top 10 | Weekly Sales Analysis | Marketshare Features, as well as daily news on the Video Game Industry.

trunkswd said:
curl-6 said:

I still think a lot of the ones with inevitable outcomes are still fun to watch, just to see how fast that outcome is reached.

Yeah true. Still interesting to see when the inevitable happens. 

For future ones I am thinking:

  • XSX vs PS5
  • XSX vs Switch
  • XSX vs Xbox One
  • XSX vs Xbox 360
  • PS5 vs Switch
  • PS5 vs PS4
  • PS5 vs PS3

I got a few more for ya.

PS5/XSX vs PS4/XBO

PS5/XSX vs PS3/360

XSX vs 3DS

PS5 vs Wii