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A very interesting video, DF Direct comments on the Xbox presentation. It seems that they are unanimous in saying that the previous generation has a negative impact on Halo infinite ( meaning they don’t agree with Phil Spencer, and that making Halo infinite crossgen considerably lessens the potential of the game’s graphics). Many comments on the presentation, worth watching.





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sales2099 said:
eva01beserk said:

You might need to clarify. Did you mean goopy was wrong because all the games look bad, not just the crosgen ones?

Because aside from medium if I'm not mistaken was the only xsx only game that was technically demanding. Any other game was just a cg trailer so we know nothing yet.

I dont know, halo was the main topic of discussion on this thread. I think a lot of people owe goopy an apologie after that infinite showcase. 

Nope he’s wrong. He clung to this notion that EVERY game in the first 2 years would be held back by XB1. However most games we saw didn’t have a XB1 version. Xbox only doing it for smaller games it seems like Grounded but the big titles are purely PC/Series X. Just a lot of fear mongering when now we see Series X games gonna be just fine.

Halo seems to be the only example that he was talking about. It’s literally the only big game with a Xbox One version. He thought it was rule when really it’s the exception to the rule. 

Again, aside from medium, what other demanding game was shown that wasent a cg trailer for you to say that? Also medium was not a MS ip, third party exclusive. That's another point goopy and others(me included) made. Games not being held back are gona be smaller games that not even the xbox one was caped. Gamepass filler. 



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eva01beserk said:
sales2099 said:

Nope he’s wrong. He clung to this notion that EVERY game in the first 2 years would be held back by XB1. However most games we saw didn’t have a XB1 version. Xbox only doing it for smaller games it seems like Grounded but the big titles are purely PC/Series X. Just a lot of fear mongering when now we see Series X games gonna be just fine.

Halo seems to be the only example that he was talking about. It’s literally the only big game with a Xbox One version. He thought it was rule when really it’s the exception to the rule. 

Again, aside from medium, what other demanding game was shown that wasent a cg trailer for you to say that? Also medium was not a MS ip, third party exclusive. That's another point goopy and others(me included) made. Games not being held back are gona be smaller games that not even the xbox one was caped. Gamepass filler. 

Avowed, Hellblade 2, Everwild conformed to not have a Xbox One version. Didn’t the majority of the trailers say platforms available at the end, many of the top games didn’t say Xbox One. I don’t think SoD3 and Fable have Xbox One versions either. It’s just Halo and Grounded from what I saw. 

Bold: Don’t do what he does and say something so outlandish like that. HB2 and Avowed aren’t small scale games for filler. 



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Microsoft's messaging is insane.
Here's one from JULY THE TENTH. That's this year. 2 weeks ago. From a gameindustry.biz interview.

"Generational exclusives are “completely counter to what gaming is about.” - Phil Spencer

Amazing. And there's a ton of PHILosophical drivel in the interview accompanying that core idea. Who wants to bet I can find more examples that are so self evidently bad that they require no explanation?



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sales2099 said:
eva01beserk said:

Again, aside from medium, what other demanding game was shown that wasent a cg trailer for you to say that? Also medium was not a MS ip, third party exclusive. That's another point goopy and others(me included) made. Games not being held back are gona be smaller games that not even the xbox one was caped. Gamepass filler. 

Avowed, Hellblade 2, Everwild conformed to not have a Xbox One version. Didn’t the majority of the trailers say platforms available at the end, many of the top games didn’t say Xbox One. I don’t think SoD3 and Fable have Xbox One versions either. It’s just Halo and Grounded from what I saw. 

Bold: Don’t do what he does and say something so outlandish like that. HB2 and Avowed aren’t small scale games for filler. 

You where proven wrong and trying to twist my words wont change anything. What I said was very clear. Crosgen games are gona be smaller titles, gamepass fodder. All the games you mentioned dint have any look at how they will end up being. Not even a release window. Nothing but concept art at this point. Even everwild the devs said that they dont have a clear gameplay idea and are trying things out, meaning its very far away.

Everything here lived and died with the halo presentation. Until we get passed this up to 2 year crosgen period you can count on mediocrity for thouse titles.

And another thing goopy said that you seem to ignore. 4k60 means nothing. A demo runing 1440p30 looked more impresive than halo at 4k60. All that performance could have been redirected somewhere else. And that's what you can expect from "scalability". It wont make games look next gen. 



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eva01beserk said:
sales2099 said:

Avowed, Hellblade 2, Everwild conformed to not have a Xbox One version. Didn’t the majority of the trailers say platforms available at the end, many of the top games didn’t say Xbox One. I don’t think SoD3 and Fable have Xbox One versions either. It’s just Halo and Grounded from what I saw. 

Bold: Don’t do what he does and say something so outlandish like that. HB2 and Avowed aren’t small scale games for filler. 

You where proven wrong and trying to twist my words wont change anything. What I said was very clear. Crosgen games are gona be smaller titles, gamepass fodder. All the games you mentioned dint have any look at how they will end up being. Not even a release window. Nothing but concept art at this point. Even everwild the devs said that they dont have a clear gameplay idea and are trying things out, meaning its very far away.

Everything here lived and died with the halo presentation. Until we get passed this up to 2 year crosgen period you can count on mediocrity for thouse titles.

And another thing goopy said that you seem to ignore. 4k60 means nothing. A demo runing 1440p30 looked more impresive than halo at 4k60. All that performance could have been redirected somewhere else. And that's what you can expect from "scalability". It wont make games look next gen. 

Except Halo isn’t a small game nor GP fodder. It’s a large scale ambitious campaign with a supposedly massive MP. Grounded sure I can see that but I see no indication it’s gonna be a flop critically.

And to be fair Halo is doing 4 player split screen which is very taxing. Halo was NEVER touted as a graphical showcase for Series X. Personally I thought it would look great but not to get hopes up given it’s a 4K launch title. The game looks clean and nails the artistic aspect of what makes Halo, Halo. People shouldn’t pretend we built this game up to something unrealistic. 

The fact that the big guns are far away practically guarantees they fall outside the cross gen window. 



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sales2099 said:
eva01beserk said:

You where proven wrong and trying to twist my words wont change anything. What I said was very clear. Crosgen games are gona be smaller titles, gamepass fodder. All the games you mentioned dint have any look at how they will end up being. Not even a release window. Nothing but concept art at this point. Even everwild the devs said that they dont have a clear gameplay idea and are trying things out, meaning its very far away.

Everything here lived and died with the halo presentation. Until we get passed this up to 2 year crosgen period you can count on mediocrity for thouse titles.

And another thing goopy said that you seem to ignore. 4k60 means nothing. A demo runing 1440p30 looked more impresive than halo at 4k60. All that performance could have been redirected somewhere else. And that's what you can expect from "scalability". It wont make games look next gen. 

Except Halo isn’t a small game nor GP fodder. It’s a large scale ambitious campaign with a supposedly massive MP. Grounded sure I can see that but I see no indication it’s gonna be a flop critically.

And to be fair Halo is doing 4 player split screen which is very taxing. Halo was NEVER touted as a graphical showcase for Series X. Personally I thought it would look great but not to get hopes up given it’s a 4K launch title. The game looks clean and nails the artistic aspect of what makes Halo, Halo. People shouldn’t pretend we built this game up to something unrealistic. 

The fact that the big guns are far away practically guarantees they fall outside the cross gen window. 

Again the evidence with halo is clear. Twisting words wont help you here. Trying to claim I said halo is a small game while I wrote it clear twice already is just sad. But you did win on something and thats me stoping with you. I know your gona go in circles into I give up then you have the final word and think you win. Go say your last spin while I watch digital foundry and many others just rip into this showcase and specially halo.



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Manlytears said:

A very interesting video, DF Direct comments on the Xbox presentation. It seems that they are unanimous in saying that the previous generation has a negative impact on Halo infinite ( meaning they don’t agree with Phil Spencer, and that making Halo infinite crossgen considerably lessens the potential of the game’s graphics). Many comments on the presentation, worth watching.



The two points I'd take away from this video, are that they mention development for Infinite started a long time ago just for Xbox One, and it was only later they suddenly had to re-work it for next-gen, which isn't some simple task. Also that the Slipspace engine just doesn't seem to scale as well as other engines by third party studios who know how to properly convert for cross-gen, like ID Tech 7.

This is also a game they plan to have ready by launch, so the closest comparison on PS5 would be Miles Morales Spider-Man-- standalone expansion of a PS4 title releasing at launch. But while I'd expect Miles Morales to look somewhat better, it'll also be a much smaller game in both scope and content.

If any of the other big titles like Fable, Avowed, Forza or Everwild also get cross-gen release, maybe you should wait to use those as examples, as they'll be around the same release window as the noteworthy PS5 releases, and are all being developed primarily for next-gen.



eva01beserk said:
sales2099 said:

Except Halo isn’t a small game nor GP fodder. It’s a large scale ambitious campaign with a supposedly massive MP. Grounded sure I can see that but I see no indication it’s gonna be a flop critically.

And to be fair Halo is doing 4 player split screen which is very taxing. Halo was NEVER touted as a graphical showcase for Series X. Personally I thought it would look great but not to get hopes up given it’s a 4K launch title. The game looks clean and nails the artistic aspect of what makes Halo, Halo. People shouldn’t pretend we built this game up to something unrealistic. 

The fact that the big guns are far away practically guarantees they fall outside the cross gen window. 

Again the evidence with halo is clear. Twisting words wont help you here. Trying to claim I said halo is a small game while I wrote it clear twice already is just sad. But you did win on something and thats me stoping with you. I know your gona go in circles into I give up then you have the final word and think you win. Go say your last spin while I watch digital foundry and many others just rip into this showcase and specially halo.

To be fair both of us are making incomplete arguments that don’t take into account the full picture. 



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sales2099 said:
eva01beserk said:

Again the evidence with halo is clear. Twisting words wont help you here. Trying to claim I said halo is a small game while I wrote it clear twice already is just sad. But you did win on something and thats me stoping with you. I know your gona go in circles into I give up then you have the final word and think you win. Go say your last spin while I watch digital foundry and many others just rip into this showcase and specially halo.

To be fair both of us are making incomplete arguments that don’t take into account the full picture. 

I never claim to have anything of games that are not released. I claimed that we have had many games already that MS overhyped and showed crazzy cg trailers like halo did for them to look like a 360 game. Could thouse games shown actually deliver? They definetly can, but history says MS has disapointed more times than actually meet expectations.



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