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Have politics damaged the quality of ND games

No 39 41.94%
 
Yes 54 58.06%
 
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Lonely_Dolphin said:
DonFerrari said:

I really find it troublesome when someone judge the other by what they think they said instead of what they really said and without confirmation. The first week of training on the company I work there was a very good video and the message stick to me "when someone say something that can be interpreted in several ways give the benefit of doubt and use the least damaging one".

A great message and what I strive to do, hence why I didn't immediately call Alara (who we now know was Runa's alt, explains a lot lol) the racist heterophobe that his initial post could be seen as. As we've seen, there are people who think it's not only fair and just to jump to conclusions but also stand by them even after contradictory evidence and explanation has been provided. It's always good to be reminded that I'm not the only one who prioritizes logic over feels.

I have run into many people in VGC that thinks their interpretation of what you said is evidence and true even when you explain what you said they will keep the version they want. It is really odd.



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EnricoPallazzo said:

ND for me is a good representation of why the left destroys everything it touches. There is a strong need in not create something new, but always destroy what is already established and people love so from the ashes of it something "better" can flourish. If TLOU2 is the direction modern games are going, then unfortunately I believe it's not for me, thank God we still have Japan and I still have a huge backlog of games to play.


Since U4 ND has been showing why people hate forced diversity in games, starting with Nadine, then the girl power in Lost Legacy and now the climax with TLOU2. The sex scene of Abby which was basically gross. I dont even know if she is really a woman anymore since its clear she has no boobs, maybe those scenes with her as a kid she was a boy, just as Lev was a girl. So that scene would be basically anal sex. But it's all right, it's a left leaning game so they have a free pass to do whatever they want. And everything in the game is forced and it's all against the evil white male. I'm black btw. Well, half black.


I wont play or buy this game, and probably won't be playing Naughty Dog games anymore as it is clear the same route will be used also in future uncharted games and their future IP's. Creating a great a fun game is not important anymore, the political message must come first.
And you know what? If most people think this is alright and like it, so be it.

I'm not supporting ND games, after Part II. It's not that I won't play them, but Part II is the last one I've preordered and I'm not gonna play their games full price or without reading about the story first.

If only I could get my money back.

shikamaru317 said:
EnricoPallazzo said:

ND for me is a good representation of why the left destroys everything it touches. There is a strong need in not create something new, but always destroy what is already established and people love so from the ashes of it something "better" can flourish. If TLOU2 is the direction modern games are going, then unfortunately I believe it's not for me, thank God we still have Japan and I still have a huge backlog of games to play.


Since U4 ND has been showing why people hate forced diversity in games, starting with Nadine, then the girl power in Lost Legacy and now the climax with TLOU2.

Spoiler!
The sex scene of Abby which was basically gross. I dont even know if she is really a woman anymore since its clear she has no boobs, maybe those scenes with her as a kid she was a boy, just as Lev was a girl. So that scene would be basically anal sex.

But it's all right, it's a left leaning game so they have a free pass to do whatever they want. And everything in the game is forced and it's all against the evil white male. I'm black btw. Well, half black.


I wont play or buy this game, and probably won't be playing Naughty Dog games anymore as it is clear the same route will be used also in future uncharted games and their future IP's. Creating a great a fun game is not important anymore, the political message must come first.
And you know what? If most people think this is alright and like it, so be it.

Yeah, that scene bothers the heck out of me too. Saw this on Twitter last night, and I 100% agree with it:

Spoiler!

Why is it that a realistic graphics, nude anal sex scene between a man and what seems to be a trans woman is acceptable to Sony, but Sony is censoring sexual content in Japanese games that isn't full nudity to begin with, even though the rating agencies like ESRB, CERO, and PEGI are totally ok with that content being in those games? 

It kinda makes sense.

John2290 said:

While I agree with people in this thread on forced diversity I'll just say ya'll need to take a step back, let the creators create what they want and the people decide if it's good or not. If you don't want to support it don't but it's a bad road to go down, I went hard against it all before everythig started looking like forced diversity, even the genuine stuff. If you can smell it, sure don't drop the money and back away but sometimes your sense of smell betrays you and you may miss a gem that had genuine intentions or not but it still worked. Gotta go on a case by case basis and close your wallet when needed.

But I think games like Part II today is exactly an example of products that aren't creators led. Books are totally led by creators. Games are more like Hollywood films. They've got a whole team specialised on PR and how politically correct the game should be. Lawyers, psychologists, all sorts of consultants have to go over the product before it comes out.

I doubt the woke things on Part II were the sole main writer creation.



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Dante9 said:
LudicrousSpeed said:
I can’t tell if the outrage is because of the inclusion and woke culture or people just disappointed in the horrible narrative.

It's overwhelmingly about the narrative. Even if every character in the game were just plain ol' heterosexuals and there were no political agendas whatsoever to be found, the way the beloved characters are treated is just massively disappointing and off-putting, especially after seven years of waiting. The whole dynamic that made the first game so well liked is completely obliterated in the sequel. It's weird, like either Druckmann doesn't understand what made the first game tick, or that he somehow became so overwhelmed by having to improve upon the former perfection that he imploded and found no other recourse than to deconstruct the whole thing. Like he knew he couldn't top what he had done before, so he decided to piss in the pool before the fans got to it first.

Maybe the Last of Us is one of those things that should have been a one-off, no sequels needed.

The first one was a simple tale. Just perfect. The second got lost in unnecessary complexities, among other problems.

KLXVER said:
Dante9 said:

It's overwhelmingly about the narrative. Even if every character in the game were just plain ol' heterosexuals and there were no political agendas whatsoever to be found, the way the beloved characters are treated is just massively disappointing and off-putting, especially after seven years of waiting. The whole dynamic that made the first game so well liked is completely obliterated in the sequel. It's weird, like either Druckmann doesn't understand what made the first game tick, or that he somehow became so overwhelmed by having to improve upon the former perfection that he imploded and found no other recourse than to deconstruct the whole thing. Like he knew he couldn't top what he had done before, so he decided to piss in the pool before the fans got to it first.

Maybe the Last of Us is one of those things that should have been a one-off, no sequels needed.

How are they treated? You know they live in a world that isnt all sunshine and rainbows, right? Should they all get a heroic send-off or ride into the sunset and live happily ever after? 

I dont know. I like darker subject matters more than others I guess. I like it when things arent predictable or are tied up in a nice bow for me to feel all fuzzy inside. TLOU2 kept surprising me with the narrative. I know people will say that it was all made just to manipulate the feelings of the player. That may be true in some instances, but Im not sure why this is the game that broke the camels back on that. Thats usually what entertainment in general does. I just think people are being a bit harsh on this game. I think it was a breath of fresh air tbh. 

Part II is not dark, it's pure masochism. Revenge, revenge, revenge. There's nothing there for the sake of anyone. All destruction. Every character that is not dead had it's life destroyed. It's shocking for the sake of being shocking. It's the true definition of the word awful and disgusting.



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Since this thread was ressurrected I just wanted to say a guy created a movie version of the game changing the ending, putting the flashbacks at the begginning and making the story alternate between the characters instead of first ellie then abby and it is so much better than the original. There are also other edits luke removing the butt sex scene and etc, but it is reallybreally good. Go check it out if you want but bear in mind it is 5 hours of video.



EnricoPallazzo said:
Since this thread was ressurrected I just wanted to say a guy created a movie version of the game changing the ending, putting the flashbacks at the begginning and making the story alternate between the characters instead of first ellie then abby and it is so much better than the original. There are also other edits luke removing the butt sex scene and etc, but it is reallybreally good. Go check it out if you want but bear in mind it is 5 hours of video.

Post the link. I'll watch it because I'm NEVER playing this game again.

Don't get me wrong, the game was good. Just draining to play.



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d21lewis said:
EnricoPallazzo said:
Since this thread was ressurrected I just wanted to say a guy created a movie version of the game changing the ending, putting the flashbacks at the begginning and making the story alternate between the characters instead of first ellie then abby and it is so much better than the original. There are also other edits luke removing the butt sex scene and etc, but it is reallybreally good. Go check it out if you want but bear in mind it is 5 hours of video.

Post the link. I'll watch it because I'm NEVER playing this game again.

Don't get me wrong, the game was good. Just draining to play.

There you go. In my personal opinion it is really good but of course there are limitations since you have to work only with the material you have in game.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmLpWoMTPI4



From all the interesting things in this thread, there is something, an idea, that does not connect woth me at all. I really don't get why people think it was butt sex.
In my experience you can very easily have vaginal sex with a woman from behind.
On the other hand, I would assume anal sex needs careful preparation with lube. That was not in part 2 at all.
If it was in the vagina or in the butt is of course a non issue for what part 2 is about. But I have seen this so often now, that I felt I had to say something.



JuliusHackebeil said:
From all the interesting things in this thread, there is something, an idea, that does not connect woth me at all. I really don't get why people think it was butt sex.
In my experience you can very easily have vaginal sex with a woman from behind.
On the other hand, I would assume anal sex needs careful preparation with lube. That was not in part 2 at all.
If it was in the vagina or in the butt is of course a non issue for what part 2 is about. But I have seen this so often now, that I felt I had to say something.

Its just a joke, dont worry too much about it. I could explain but that would trigger another discussion here that I dont want to go through. If you want send me a pm and I can explain. Its just a troll joke, although of course it could also be anal sex, we will never know



JuliusHackebeil said:
From all the interesting things in this thread, there is something, an idea, that does not connect woth me at all. I really don't get why people think it was butt sex.
In my experience you can very easily have vaginal sex with a woman from behind.
On the other hand, I would assume anal sex needs careful preparation with lube. That was not in part 2 at all.
If it was in the vagina or in the butt is of course a non issue for what part 2 is about. But I have seen this so often now, that I felt I had to say something.

I'm not justifying the joke/complaint but that sex is very Hollywood like. Sex on TV has no preparation, people start stripping like it is the end of the world and they go to penetration without any preparation. No condoms, no bath, nothing. TV sex spreads diseases.



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When PS4 will hit 100m consoles sold: Before Christmas 2019

There were three ravens sat on a tree / They were as blacke as they might be / The one of them said to his mate, Where shall we our breakfast take?


EnricoPallazzo said:
Since this thread was ressurrected I just wanted to say a guy created a movie version of the game changing the ending, putting the flashbacks at the begginning and making the story alternate between the characters instead of first ellie then abby and it is so much better than the original. There are also other edits luke removing the butt sex scene and etc, but it is reallybreally good. Go check it out if you want but bear in mind it is 5 hours of video.

It is the same thing and wasn't even hard to follow on the original, cutting and ordering it just make the impact of the actions lessened.



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