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Saw this recommended for me, it was a Nice apology and he even explained Cerny talk in a easy to understand way



 

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KBG29 said:
Zoombael said:

To some it remains a secret. 

It's possible to upgrade console HDDs to SSDs since the 7th generation. Just FYI.

This is true, but as Mark Cerny discussed in the Road to PS5 talk, putting an SSD into a PS3 and PS4 had very little in the way of performance gains. I had SSD's in my PS3 and PS4, it did help streaming textures, and cut the load times in specific titles, but it was very limited.

With next gen, developers will be able to program to the baseline of every console having an SSD, and take advanatge of the fixed function hardware in the I/O of each console to truly get the most out of those SSD's.

This is something I was glad to see Linus talk about in this video. I have been watching his videos on and off for a long time, and it is always extremely frusterating when he would do a video on a new multi-core CPU or SSDs, and then claim that there is no point in more cores and faster SSDs. It always comes down to the program, if the program is not build to take advanatage of the hardware, then the hardware is not going to be utilized. 

Next gen is going to blow people away, I just hope we can get through this mess going on right now, and get to the positive advanacements that are happening.

Well it is kinda important to inform customers that there isn't much use for the expensive stuff they want to buy because developers aren't putting it to use.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994



Zoombael said:

It's possible to upgrade console HDDs to SSDs since the 7th generation. Just FYI.

Not with the Xbox 360 initially.
It wasn't until Microsoft implemented external USB drive support that USB storage of up to 2TB could be used back in 2015.
https://www.windowscentral.com/xbox-360-software-update-adds-support-2tb-external-hard-drives

And in 2010 USB Flash Drive support was added with a max formatted capacity of 16GB (Or two drives for a total of 32GB).
https://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/118771/Xbox_360_Update_Adding_USB_Flash_Drive_Support_In_April.php

So whilst technically you could run an SSD in a USB enclosure and format it into two 16Gb partitions... It was hardly ideal.
An SSD limited to 35MB/s is going to be slower than the Xbox 360's internal mechanical drive, especially the 500gb drive model which should sit at around 50-60MB/s.

KBG29 said:

This is true, but as Mark Cerny discussed in the Road to PS5 talk, putting an SSD into a PS3 and PS4 had very little in the way of performance gains. I had SSD's in my PS3 and PS4, it did help streaming textures, and cut the load times in specific titles, but it was very limited.

With next gen, developers will be able to program to the baseline of every console having an SSD, and take advanatge of the fixed function hardware in the I/O of each console to truly get the most out of those SSD's.

This is something I was glad to see Linus talk about in this video. I have been watching his videos on and off for a long time, and it is always extremely frusterating when he would do a video on a new multi-core CPU or SSDs, and then claim that there is no point in more cores and faster SSDs. It always comes down to the program, if the program is not build to take advanatage of the hardware, then the hardware is not going to be utilized. 

Next gen is going to blow people away, I just hope we can get through this mess going on right now, and get to the positive advanacements that are happening.

Yeah the I/O was the bottleneck on the Playstation 3 and Xbox 360, which is why SSD's didn't provide much in the way of tangible benefits, that bottleneck has been rectified next-gen, which is what Tim's messaging is all about, removing bottlenecks.

The PC still has the fastest CPU, GPU, Ram and SSD's, but the Playstation 5 doesn't have any points of restriction essentially.

ArchangelMadzz said:

True. But him showing 4 SSD's in RAID amd saying it's faster than a Single SSD is kind of redundant. We know the fastest single SSD out right now is 5GB/s.

You can buy single SSD's with 10GB/s on PC.
https://www.anandtech.com/show/10125/seagate-announces-pcie-x16-ssd-capable-of-10gbs
or
https://www.anandtech.com/show/15537/kioxia-releases-first-pcie-40-ssds-cm6-cd6

The PC has the fastest SSD's money can buy, yes RAID is one way to achieve such throughput's, no... That isn't the only kind of SSD that is available.

The fastest single SSD is on PC, was always on PC, will always be on PC. -Why?
The PC isn't limited by cost, power consumption, form factor or interface.

But that isn't the messaging that Tim is trying to put across, there is so much behind the SSD that is going on with the Playstation 5 that the raw "GB/s" numbers don't tell us.
It's like people clinging to "teraflops" to assert that a platform is 50% superior than another one which couldn't be further from the truth... Or how a 32bit console is faster than a 64bit one. - Bits tells us bugger all.

Dallinor said:

If you mean as standard, plenty of PC's don't have SSD's including the PC I'm typing this message on, which is only 2 months old.

If you buy a PC today... In 2020 that came with a mechanical hard drive... Then you made the wrong purchase decision, even netbooks have SSD's today.

I haven't seen a PC for sale in a few years that came with spinning rust unless it was a secondary storage drive, but that is Australia, things might be different in other parts of the world.




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The video got trending on Youtube LOL. Sony and EPIC just got free marketing LMAO.



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HollyGamer said:
The video got trending on Youtube LOL. Sony and EPIC just got free marketing LMAO.

As they say there is no bad publicity, and sometimes it turns out real good.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

vivster said:
No reason to apologize for running with a statement that was intentionally vague and basically had no value in the way it was phrased.

He is mainly apologized for personally attacking Tim and saying Tim must have received trucks of cash from SONY to hype up their SSD. Worse yet, he has one of the biggest and most watched YT Tech channels out there, you'd surely could see why mischaracterizing Sweeny the way he did deserves an apology?

"No reason to apologize" is baffling to say.



To be honest, I never rated Linus' technical knowledge very highly. He seems like someone who knows his way around the a few websites to order computer parts, but does he even have a computer science degree? Has he worked as a software developer? Does he work on Linux in his spare time or something?

That he was wrong about something highly technical does not surprise me. That he thought he could talk authoritatively about something he has never used or seen the specs of... doesn't surprise me either...



DonFerrari said:
HollyGamer said:
The video got trending on Youtube LOL. Sony and EPIC just got free marketing LMAO.

As they say there is no bad publicity, and sometimes it turns out real good.

That's why Sony has it's class when it comes to PR. They might be arrogance but they are leader on video games industries after Tencent and bigger one on dedicated home consoles. 

They just let people arguing and made drama , in the end people who made drama just embarrassing themself. 

Just look on how PS5 reveal, it was just only a logo the Internet took a storm and then Mark Cerny did presentation (and forum dweller mock that) and suddenly boom Unreal Engine came out without even need  Sony logo or Playstation add at all or not even Sony the one who reveal that.  just look how many view it has on Unreal Youtube channel. They did less and even started bad, but they gained a lot attention like always.

The power of brand. 



It's a pretty informative video, since it explains why "this PC SSD is faster than the one in PS5" comments are not understanding why those SSD's don't come close to doing what the PS5 SSD does.
But most of this will be for first party games. Some for games also on Xbox, and very little if they're also on PC.

"Unless they're also releasing on PC. The PC might be about to become the lowest common denominator here."


Would be very beneficial to the games industry if this, or equivalent technology is standardized on PC and Xbox.