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Soundwave said:

I don't buy a graphics engineer would mistake a video file for an actual demo (running a video file at 40 fps is also bizarre, video files are either 24 fps, 30 fps, or rarely 60 fps). The translated version has the engineers clearly saying the SSD throughput only needs to be in the MB/sec range, not GB/sec. Why in the world would you even bother talking about that over a video file. Sweeney likely has a marketing deal with Sony and doesn't want to rock the boat on that. New AMD GPUs getting outperformed by older Nvidia GPUs in actual practise is nothing new, been happening for ages and Epic already admitted the demo will run fine on a 2070 Super. The PS5 is nothing special GPU wise. 

The engineer mentions that they are targeting running that demo at 60fps but they managed to optimise it to reach 40 so far. The presentation was locked at 30, for a very logical reason. 40 fps is a stuttering fest and you don't want to reveal such a demo not running smoothly.





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curl-6 said:

Anybody trying to sell you something (in this case, PS5 and UE5) is obviously going to portray it in only a positive light, and in a collaboration like this, Epic's not going to say to come out and say "this isn't as good as what you'll get on Xbox Series X or a high spec PC". There's a certain etiquette to these kind of partnerships.

That said, the demo clearly shows PS5 delivering stunning results, and UE5 almost certainly deliver amazing graphics on XSX and PC as well, so everyone should be happy.

Sure I don't expect him to badmouth it, what makes it even oddier this Epic China thing. Plus he can't purely lie or mislead. He can avoid and spin though, and he didn't.



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Hynad said:
Soundwave said:

I don't buy a graphics engineer would mistake a video file for an actual demo (running a video file at 40 fps is also bizarre, video files are either 24 fps, 30 fps, or rarely 60 fps). The translated version has the engineers clearly saying the SSD throughput only needs to be in the MB/sec range, not GB/sec. Why in the world would you even bother talking about that over a video file. Sweeney likely has a marketing deal with Sony and doesn't want to rock the boat on that. New AMD GPUs getting outperformed by older Nvidia GPUs in actual practise is nothing new, been happening for ages and Epic already admitted the demo will run fine on a 2070 Super. The PS5 is nothing special GPU wise. 

The engineer mentions that they are targeting running that demo at 60fps but they managed to optimise it to reach 40 so far. The presentation was locked at 30, for a very logical reason. 40 fps is a stuttering fest and you don't want to reveal such a demo not running smoothly.


What people were trying to say is the engineer somehow was so stupid to claim the VIDEO FILE was running at 40 fps, lol, and not the demo period.

That is very hard to believe. 

If that can run at 40 fps on a laptop using a older Turing based GPU and a garden variety SSD, it's not a great look for Sony or AMD.



Soundwave said:
Hynad said:

The engineer mentions that they are targeting running that demo at 60fps but they managed to optimise it to reach 40 so far. The presentation was locked at 30, for a very logical reason. 40 fps is a stuttering fest and you don't want to reveal such a demo not running smoothly.


What people were trying to say is the engineer somehow was so stupid to claim the VIDEO FILE was running at 40 fps, lol, and not the demo period.

That is very hard to believe. 

If that can run at 40 fps on a laptop using a older Turing based GPU and a garden variety SSD, it's not a great look for Sony or AMD.

Stop willfully spreading misinformation. The demo was not running on any laptop.

This was proved several times in this same thread, so please stop it. People misunderstood and thought it was running somehow on a laptop better than on a ps5, when in fact if was a video playing what was a recording of the demo running of a ps5. These same people must feel extremely embarrassed at this point for that wrong assumption.

If you want to fantasize how it would/could/should run on whatever hardware, fine, but don't treat it like there's some evidence of it even running in a pc because there isn't.



setsunatenshi said:
Soundwave said:

What people were trying to say is the engineer somehow was so stupid to claim the VIDEO FILE was running at 40 fps, lol, and not the demo period.

That is very hard to believe. 

If that can run at 40 fps on a laptop using a older Turing based GPU and a garden variety SSD, it's not a great look for Sony or AMD.

Stop willfully spreading misinformation. The demo was not running on any laptop.

This was proved several times in this same thread, so please stop it. People misunderstood and thought it was running somehow on a laptop better than on a ps5, when in fact if was a video playing what was a recording of the demo running of a ps5. These same people must feel extremely embarrassed at this point for that wrong assumption.

If you want to fantasize how it would/could/should run on whatever hardware, fine, but don't treat it like there's some evidence of it even running in a pc because there isn't.

They are saying it was running on a laptop. 

An engineer would have to be a fucking moron to confuse a video running on a laptop for actual performance, they are talking about the demo itself and how it ran on the laptop chipset. They got it to 40 fps and are aiming to get it higher to 60 fps. 

Fact is AMD is having serious problems matching up with Nvidia, Nvidia is the bigger company with quite frankly better designers. 

A 7nm AMD can't even outperform an older 12nm Nvidia GPU on 2 year old architecture. 



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Soundwave said:
setsunatenshi said:

Stop willfully spreading misinformation. The demo was not running on any laptop.

This was proved several times in this same thread, so please stop it. People misunderstood and thought it was running somehow on a laptop better than on a ps5, when in fact if was a video playing what was a recording of the demo running of a ps5. These same people must feel extremely embarrassed at this point for that wrong assumption.

If you want to fantasize how it would/could/should run on whatever hardware, fine, but don't treat it like there's some evidence of it even running in a pc because there isn't.

They are saying it was running on a laptop. 

An engineer would have to be a fucking moron to confuse a video running on a laptop for actual performance, they are talking about the demo itself and how it ran on the laptop chipset. They got it to 40 fps and are aiming to get it higher to 60 fps. 

Fact is AMD is having serious problems matching up with Nvidia, Nvidia is the bigger company with quite frankly better designers. 

A 7nm AMD can't even outperform an older 12nm Nvidia GPU on 2 year old architecture. 

Just stop. You have no idea how scaled down or up it was running to achieve this kind of performance on that alleged laptop, if it was. You have no idea how that demo would run on PS5 if the framerate was left uncapped. You also seemingly refuse to take into account that the engine itself wasn’t created for the PS5 only, or that PCs were of course used to develop it.

All you’re doing is spread blatant FUD for obvious reasons.

You don’t speak mandarin. You base all of this on an unreliable "source", and keep at it because said shaky translation aligns with the crap you want to spread. 

Just stop. Your intentions are transparent.  




Playstation haters are hellbent on discrediting anything suggesting PS5 to be the superior platform at handling certain important tasks. The sooner they stop, the less embarrassed they will be when the systems drop.

At this point, I'd go as far as to bet on PS5 being the better balanced and more innovative/efficient platform for developers. Maybe it's just my confirmation bias blinding me, but it's clearly leaving a greater impression on the devs working on both platforms; the diplomacy/NDA's in place seem to benefit Microsoft.

That is not to say Xbox won't have its own advantages. It'll probably have the edge on pushing resolution/fps/raytracing/effects (and/or). If not at launch, then eventually.

For the consumer, the better system (graphically) will come down to what they value more between the different graphics/performance related aspects.



Soundwave said:
setsunatenshi said:

Stop willfully spreading misinformation. The demo was not running on any laptop.

This was proved several times in this same thread, so please stop it. People misunderstood and thought it was running somehow on a laptop better than on a ps5, when in fact if was a video playing what was a recording of the demo running of a ps5. These same people must feel extremely embarrassed at this point for that wrong assumption.

If you want to fantasize how it would/could/should run on whatever hardware, fine, but don't treat it like there's some evidence of it even running in a pc because there isn't.

They are saying it was running on a laptop. 

An engineer would have to be a fucking moron to confuse a video running on a laptop for actual performance, they are talking about the demo itself and how it ran on the laptop chipset. They got it to 40 fps and are aiming to get it higher to 60 fps. 

Fact is AMD is having serious problems matching up with Nvidia, Nvidia is the bigger company with quite frankly better designers. 

A 7nm AMD can't even outperform an older 12nm Nvidia GPU on 2 year old architecture. 

Well, did you still believe it? 

Soundwave said:
setsunatenshi said:

Stop willfully spreading misinformation. The demo was not running on any laptop.

This was proved several times in this same thread, so please stop it. People misunderstood and thought it was running somehow on a laptop better than on a ps5, when in fact if was a video playing what was a recording of the demo running of a ps5. These same people must feel extremely embarrassed at this point for that wrong assumption.

If you want to fantasize how it would/could/should run on whatever hardware, fine, but don't treat it like there's some evidence of it even running in a pc because there isn't.

They are saying it was running on a laptop. 

An engineer would have to be a fucking moron to confuse a video running on a laptop for actual performance, they are talking about the demo itself and how it ran on the laptop chipset. They got it to 40 fps and are aiming to get it higher to 60 fps. 

Fact is AMD is having serious problems matching up with Nvidia, Nvidia is the bigger company with quite frankly better designers. 

A 7nm AMD can't even outperform an older 12nm Nvidia GPU on 2 year old architecture. 

It was a misinterpretation of what was being shown by people that don't even speak that language. As I pointed out (with resources) it was an mp4 video being played off a laptop. It's laughable how that gets spun around to that being the performance on that said laptop. You could play the same video in a f'ckin celeron and integrated gpu laptop and would still look the same.

The more you keep spreading that FUD, more people will be confused and call it 50/50.

It's not 50/50, we have it straight from the top man himself how the demo was recorded, so just stop it. If and when they are able to run it from a laptop then you can go ahead and compare performance. As far as we know, this demo was never ever running outside of the PS5.



curl-6 said:

Anybody trying to sell you something (in this case, PS5 and UE5) is obviously going to portray it in only a positive light, and in a collaboration like this, Epic's not going to say to come out and say "this isn't as good as what you'll get on Xbox Series X or a high spec PC". There's a certain etiquette to these kind of partnerships.

That's just it though (at least regarding the PS5 in conjunction with Xbox). No matter your allegiance, despite being the inferior platform, the PS5 will be able to handle things in ways that the XSX will not. That doesn't change the overall superiority of the latter. And right now, they're going to talk about the device with the fastest SSD because it matters with a demo like this and even a PC like mine doesn't have a drive that fast. Of course, that will change in the next 365 days, but right now, that's how it is.

So etiquette plays less of a role here than you think. It isn't strictly down to being polite.