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"Presents First Look At Xbox Series X Gameplay"

29th of May:
"Game and console in development; in-engine footage representative of expected Xbox Series X visual quality" -----> games running on a high end Ryzen + 2080ti.

So they didn't only not really show gameplay.
They used a PC with a 2080ti to show alot of these games, so it wasnt actually a "on xbox series x" alot of the time.

source: https://wccftech.com/scorn-interview-xbox-series-x-is-a-very-balanced-system-trailer-was-running-on-an-rtx-2080ti/

Debate over it at Neogaf: https://www.neogaf.com/threads/scorn-developer-xbox-series-x-scorn-trailer-was-running-on-an-rtx-2080ti.1544412/

edit:
Supposedly stock speeds of a 2080 ti is 13,4 TF.
However they use boost clocks (if they can) and they and that drives the TF number upto 16 TF+ and reach around 18 TF when OCed.

Ignoreing the AMD flops to Nvidia flops argument.
MS showed alot of these games running at CPU speeds probably above 4GHZ (high end ryzen), and with a 16 TF+ GPU (2080ti with boost).

This feels like cheating to me.
IF you lable a show as "first look at xbox series x gameplay", you would expect gameplay from future games, running on a console right?
Not a high end PC, thats more powerfull than the soon to release console!

Last edited by JRPGfan - on 30 May 2020

JRPGfan said:

"Presents First Look At Xbox Series X Gameplay"

29th of May:
"Game and console in development; in-engine footage representative of expected Xbox Series X visual quality" -----> games running on a high end Ryzen + 2080ti.

So they didn't only not really show gameplay.
They used a PC with a 2080ti to show alot of these games, so it wasnt actually a "on xbox series x" alot of the time.

source: https://wccftech.com/scorn-interview-xbox-series-x-is-a-very-balanced-system-trailer-was-running-on-an-rtx-2080ti/

Debate over it at Neogaf: https://www.neogaf.com/threads/scorn-developer-xbox-series-x-scorn-trailer-was-running-on-an-rtx-2080ti.1544412/

edit:
Supposedly stock speeds of a 2080 ti is 13,4 TF.
However they use boost clocks (if they can) and they and that drives the TF number upto 16 TF+ and reach around 18 TF when OCed.

Ignoreing the AMD flops to Nvidia flops argument.
MS showed alot of these games running at CPU speeds probably above 4GHZ (high end ryzen), and with a 16 TF+ GPU (2080ti with boost).

This feels like cheating to me.
IF you lable a show as "first look at xbox series x gameplay", you would expect gameplay from future games, running on a console right?
Not a high end PC, thats more powerfull than the soon to release console!

In fairness, they don't state at what rate the game is running using that 2080 Ti (mentioning teraflops is pointless when the images on the screen can't tell you anything about them). Base/Boost clock rates are much more important for discussion.

In any event, to some degree, I get why Microsoft did this. It is a cost effective, quick solution that allows for scaling on the specs to be representative of what you'll get from the actual hardware (so, much like what I do when creating a character I want to showcase to y'all of what you can expect your console to match). I'm not saying expect 1:1 TITAN RTX capabilities out of your next gen console, rather, expect this level of fidelity and I'm simply using a very capable device to showcase that piece. Similar idea.

Can it feel deceptive? Sure. But most 3rd party companies do this when showcasing their early next gen stuff. And, the XSX's Scarlett GPU, while certainly weaker than a 2080 Ti, isn't so far behind that the game will look much different on the console. PC gamers will surely be able to run it above 100fps, but that's to be expected.

Last edited by CGI-Quality - on 30 May 2020

                                                                                                             

CGI-Quality said:
JRPGfan said:

"Presents First Look At Xbox Series X Gameplay"

29th of May:
"Game and console in development; in-engine footage representative of expected Xbox Series X visual quality" -----> games running on a high end Ryzen + 2080ti.

So they didn't only not really show gameplay.
They used a PC with a 2080ti to show alot of these games, so it wasnt actually a "on xbox series x" alot of the time.

source: https://wccftech.com/scorn-interview-xbox-series-x-is-a-very-balanced-system-trailer-was-running-on-an-rtx-2080ti/

Debate over it at Neogaf: https://www.neogaf.com/threads/scorn-developer-xbox-series-x-scorn-trailer-was-running-on-an-rtx-2080ti.1544412/

edit:
Supposedly stock speeds of a 2080 ti is 13,4 TF.
However they use boost clocks (if they can) and they and that drives the TF number upto 16 TF+ and reach around 18 TF when OCed.

Ignoreing the AMD flops to Nvidia flops argument.
MS showed alot of these games running at CPU speeds probably above 4GHZ (high end ryzen), and with a 16 TF+ GPU (2080ti with boost).

This feels like cheating to me.
IF you lable a show as "first look at xbox series x gameplay", you would expect gameplay from future games, running on a console right?
Not a high end PC, thats more powerfull than the soon to release console!

In fairness, they don't state at what rate the game is running using that 2080 Ti (mentioning teraflops is pointless when the images on the screen can't tell you anything about them). Base/Boost clock rates are much more important for discussion.

In any event, to some degree, I get why Microsoft did this. It is a cost effective, quick solution that allows for scaling on the specs to be representative of what you'll get from the actual hardware (so, much like what I do when creating a character I want to showcase to y'all of what you can expect your console to match). I'm not saying expect 1:1 TITAN RTX capabilities out of your next gen console, rather, expect this level of fidelity and I'm simply using a very capable device to showcase that piece. Similar idea.

Can it feel deceptive? Sure. But most 3rd party companies do this when showcasing their early next gen stuff. And, the XSX's Scarlett GPU, while certainly weaker than a 2080 Ti, isn't so far behind that the game will look much different on the console. PC gamers will surely be able to run it above 100fps, but that's to be expected.

Thank you for the explanation as my knowledge when it comes to understanding specs (beyond higher numbers usually mean more powerful ) is fairly limited. I do know my PC needs an upgrade as I have an old AMD FX-8350 CPU. 



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JRPGfan said:

"Presents First Look At Xbox Series X Gameplay"

29th of May:
"Game and console in development; in-engine footage representative of expected Xbox Series X visual quality" -----> games running on a high end Ryzen + 2080ti.

So they didn't only not really show gameplay.
They used a PC with a 2080ti to show alot of these games, so it wasnt actually a "on xbox series x" alot of the time.

source: https://wccftech.com/scorn-interview-xbox-series-x-is-a-very-balanced-system-trailer-was-running-on-an-rtx-2080ti/

Debate over it at Neogaf: https://www.neogaf.com/threads/scorn-developer-xbox-series-x-scorn-trailer-was-running-on-an-rtx-2080ti.1544412/

edit:
Supposedly stock speeds of a 2080 ti is 13,4 TF.
However they use boost clocks (if they can) and they and that drives the TF number upto 16 TF+ and reach around 18 TF when OCed.

Ignoreing the AMD flops to Nvidia flops argument.
MS showed alot of these games running at CPU speeds probably above 4GHZ (high end ryzen), and with a 16 TF+ GPU (2080ti with boost).

This feels like cheating to me.
IF you lable a show as "first look at xbox series x gameplay", you would expect gameplay from future games, running on a console right?
Not a high end PC, thats more powerfull than the soon to release console!

Weird... I guess the Series X wasn't fully ready to showcase the games but yea... I am not a fan of that tactic one bit since they might turn down settings other than just resolution and frame rate when the games come out. Of course, it might be the same or it might even be better but having it run on a 2080Ti instead of the Series X makes the showcase pretty nonsense imo.



             

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JRPGfan said:

"Presents First Look At Xbox Series X Gameplay"

29th of May:
"Game and console in development; in-engine footage representative of expected Xbox Series X visual quality" -----> games running on a high end Ryzen + 2080ti.

So they didn't only not really show gameplay.
They used a PC with a 2080ti to show alot of these games, so it wasnt actually a "on xbox series x" alot of the time.

source: https://wccftech.com/scorn-interview-xbox-series-x-is-a-very-balanced-system-trailer-was-running-on-an-rtx-2080ti/

Debate over it at Neogaf: https://www.neogaf.com/threads/scorn-developer-xbox-series-x-scorn-trailer-was-running-on-an-rtx-2080ti.1544412/

edit:
Supposedly stock speeds of a 2080 ti is 13,4 TF.
However they use boost clocks (if they can) and they and that drives the TF number upto 16 TF+ and reach around 18 TF when OCed.

Ignoreing the AMD flops to Nvidia flops argument.
MS showed alot of these games running at CPU speeds probably above 4GHZ (high end ryzen), and with a 16 TF+ GPU (2080ti with boost).

This feels like cheating to me.
IF you lable a show as "first look at xbox series x gameplay", you would expect gameplay from future games, running on a console right?
Not a high end PC, thats more powerfull than the soon to release console!

I don't get your confusion, really. The second I saw the text: "Game and console in development; in-engine footage representative of expected Xbox Series X visual quality," I knew it was running on a PC. I never doubt it for even one second.



JRPGfan said:

"Presents First Look At Xbox Series X Gameplay"

29th of May:
"Game and console in development; in-engine footage representative of expected Xbox Series X visual quality" -----> games running on a high end Ryzen + 2080ti.

So they didn't only not really show gameplay.
They used a PC with a 2080ti to show alot of these games, so it wasnt actually a "on xbox series x" alot of the time.

source: https://wccftech.com/scorn-interview-xbox-series-x-is-a-very-balanced-system-trailer-was-running-on-an-rtx-2080ti/

Debate over it at Neogaf: https://www.neogaf.com/threads/scorn-developer-xbox-series-x-scorn-trailer-was-running-on-an-rtx-2080ti.1544412/

edit:
Supposedly stock speeds of a 2080 ti is 13,4 TF.
However they use boost clocks (if they can) and they and that drives the TF number upto 16 TF+ and reach around 18 TF when OCed.

Ignoreing the AMD flops to Nvidia flops argument.
MS showed alot of these games running at CPU speeds probably above 4GHZ (high end ryzen), and with a 16 TF+ GPU (2080ti with boost).

This feels like cheating to me.
IF you lable a show as "first look at xbox series x gameplay", you would expect gameplay from future games, running on a console right?
Not a high end PC, thats more powerfull than the soon to release console!

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LOS ANGELES -- As first reported by Anandtech, The Mac Observer has confirmed that Microsoft is running its Xbox 360 demos for the E3 Expo on Power Mac G5s from Apple Computer.

"It is an alpha kit, it has the Power PC processor. It is the closest thing to what is in the console. It is the best source," Mario Rodriguez, a Microsoft employee on hand at Microsoftis Xbox 360 booth at E3, told TMO.

The Xbox 360 has long been known to use a special version of the G5 processor, as has the fact that temporary Xbox development systems were modified Power Mac G5 units. The demonstration at E3, however, is the first time that Power Macs have been used to show Xbox 360 games to the public

https://www.macobserver.com/tmo/article/Power_Mac_G5s_run_Microsofts_XBox_360_Demos_at_E3



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