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DonFerrari said:
twintail said:

I've been trying to avoid spoilers myself but I literally had someone text me hating on the game because it didn't fit into his worldview of sexuality. tbh, ppl have been hating on this angle heavily since the Ellie trailer, so I m not surprised.

If that is what ppl are hating about, then  honestly think the the hate is heavily seeped in a hate-minded subjective view. 

Of course there could be more to this that I have not read/ heard due to spoiler avoidance.

How would they know it impacted game development?

When a forced view/narrative is on the game then it impact development.

You need to quantify this with an example or something. But i truly do not see how.



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twintail said:
DonFerrari said:

When a forced view/narrative is on the game then it impact development.

You need to quantify this with an example or something. But i truly do not see how.

You haven't ever seem something as ghostbuster with shoehorned agenda make the product worse?



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

DonFerrari said:
twintail said:

You need to quantify this with an example or something. But i truly do not see how.

You haven't ever seem something as ghostbuster with shoehorned agenda make the product worse?

Well, a lot of people could say that was only the story they wanted to tell, nothing political on it.

Of course this is not my opinion, but in theory, it is a valid argument.



EnricoPallazzo said:
DonFerrari said:

You haven't ever seem something as ghostbuster with shoehorned agenda make the product worse?

Well, a lot of people could say that was only the story they wanted to tell, nothing political on it.

Of course this is not my opinion, but in theory, it is a valid argument.

Sure it is (as in ghostbusters) I`m not saying they were forced to do it, considering their social media activity (from a lot of the ND employees) they follow this agenda. The point is on forcing a story to be full of that political content even when not relevant can impact the product, a thing we will only know when it releases. As I said even with all this TLOU, UC4 and Lost Legacy were great games and the political agenda didn`t impact my enjoyment even if I can see the differences from previous games so I`m just cautious of the TLOU2 (because I won`t read the spoilers to confirm if I would be pissed), I have my preorder and so far am keeping it, but if reviews are very negative and comes out in time to cancel the preorder I may do it (I`m keeping because I got a very good price, like 20% discount and free shipping).



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

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CGI-Quality said:
zumnupy10 said:

A postmodern, relativist and militant worldview that is being imposed to people who only want to consume entertainment without any brainwashing attempt.

Or, it is a team that simply wants to tell the story they want to tell and people are seeing what they want to see.

The issue is that, the entertainment industry as a whole decided to tell the same story. Suddenly, the postmodern narrative is the only one possible.

I am not saying ND won't make a good game again, even with these issues. I just oppose the politization of entertainment.



zumnupy10 said:
CGI-Quality said:

Or, it is a team that simply wants to tell the story they want to tell and people are seeing what they want to see.

The issue is that, the entertainment industry as a whole decided to tell the same story. Suddenly, the postmodern narrative is the only one possible.

I am not saying ND won't make a good game again, even with these issues. I just oppose the politization of entertainment.

It is diverse to make everything following the same direction.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

zumnupy10 said:
CGI-Quality said:

Or, it is a team that simply wants to tell the story they want to tell and people are seeing what they want to see.

The issue is that, the entertainment industry as a whole decided to tell the same story. Suddenly, the postmodern narrative is the only one possible.

I am not saying ND won't make a good game again, even with these issues. I just oppose the politization of entertainment.

I don't see the "issues" from Naughty Dog. Instead, I'm going to buy their product and experience their craft, from their vision. My personal life/stake in how they choose to send of their message is irrelevant.

And politics have been part of entertainment since its inception. 

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CGI-Quality said:
zumnupy10 said:

The issue is that, the entertainment industry as a whole decided to tell the same story. Suddenly, the postmodern narrative is the only one possible.

I am not saying ND won't make a good game again, even with these issues. I just oppose the politization of entertainment.

I don't see the "issues" from Naughty Dog. Instead, I'm going to buy their product and experience their craft, from their vision. My personal life/stake in how they choose to send of their message is irrelevant.

And politics have been part of entertainment since its inception. 

The thing is Anita Sarkeesian's vision is not appealing to most gamers.

I wish Neil never asked her for help.



Radek said:
CGI-Quality said:

I don't see the "issues" from Naughty Dog. Instead, I'm going to buy their product and experience their craft, from their vision. My personal life/stake in how they choose to send of their message is irrelevant.

And politics have been part of entertainment since its inception. 

The thing is Anita Sarkeesian's vision is not appealing to most gamers.

I wish Neil never asked her for help.

Even worse is that she doesn`t even like gaming.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994