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zumnupy10 said:
CGI-Quality said:

Or, it is a team that simply wants to tell the story they want to tell and people are seeing what they want to see.

The issue is that, the entertainment industry as a whole decided to tell the same story. Suddenly, the postmodern narrative is the only one possible.

I am not saying ND won't make a good game again, even with these issues. I just oppose the politization of entertainment.

It is diverse to make everything following the same direction.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

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zumnupy10 said:
CGI-Quality said:

Or, it is a team that simply wants to tell the story they want to tell and people are seeing what they want to see.

The issue is that, the entertainment industry as a whole decided to tell the same story. Suddenly, the postmodern narrative is the only one possible.

I am not saying ND won't make a good game again, even with these issues. I just oppose the politization of entertainment.

I don't see the "issues" from Naughty Dog. Instead, I'm going to buy their product and experience their craft, from their vision. My personal life/stake in how they choose to send of their message is irrelevant.

And politics have been part of entertainment since its inception. 

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CGI-Quality said:
zumnupy10 said:

The issue is that, the entertainment industry as a whole decided to tell the same story. Suddenly, the postmodern narrative is the only one possible.

I am not saying ND won't make a good game again, even with these issues. I just oppose the politization of entertainment.

I don't see the "issues" from Naughty Dog. Instead, I'm going to buy their product and experience their craft, from their vision. My personal life/stake in how they choose to send of their message is irrelevant.

And politics have been part of entertainment since its inception. 

The thing is Anita Sarkeesian's vision is not appealing to most gamers.

I wish Neil never asked her for help.



Radek said:
CGI-Quality said:

I don't see the "issues" from Naughty Dog. Instead, I'm going to buy their product and experience their craft, from their vision. My personal life/stake in how they choose to send of their message is irrelevant.

And politics have been part of entertainment since its inception. 

The thing is Anita Sarkeesian's vision is not appealing to most gamers.

I wish Neil never asked her for help.

Even worse is that she doesn`t even like gaming.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

CGI-Quality said:
zumnupy10 said:

The issue is that, the entertainment industry as a whole decided to tell the same story. Suddenly, the postmodern narrative is the only one possible.

I am not saying ND won't make a good game again, even with these issues. I just oppose the politization of entertainment.

I don't see the "issues" from Naughty Dog. Instead, I'm going to buy their product and experience their craft, from their vision. My personal life/stake in how they choose to send of their message is irrelevant.

And politics have been part of entertainment since its inception. 

Consumer's stance on politics and society will definitely not impact the "message" developers deliver, but people will cause impact voting with their wallets. Entertainment producers have the right to tell stories the way they want, but they just can't blame consumers for not swalling their views. Actions have consequences.

Do you really believe that the polization of entertainment was so prevalent as it is nowadays in any other era?



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Radek said:
CGI-Quality said:

I don't see the "issues" from Naughty Dog. Instead, I'm going to buy their product and experience their craft, from their vision. My personal life/stake in how they choose to send of their message is irrelevant.

And politics have been part of entertainment since its inception. 

The thing is Anita Sarkeesian's vision is not appealing to most gamers.

I wish Neil never asked her for help.

Eh, I don't know that as I don't know most gamers.

zumnupy10 said:
CGI-Quality said:

I don't see the "issues" from Naughty Dog. Instead, I'm going to buy their product and experience their craft, from their vision. My personal life/stake in how they choose to send of their message is irrelevant.

And politics have been part of entertainment since its inception. 

Consumer's stance on politics and society will definitely not impact the "message" developers deliver, but people will cause impact voting with their wallets. Entertainment producers have the right to tell stories the way they want, but they just can't blame consumers for not swalling their views. Actions have consequences.

Do you really believe that the polization of entertainment was so prevalent as it is nowadays in any other era?

I'm not going to sit and have a back and fourth about the quantity of politics + entertainment.

Regarding people voting with their wallets, come back to this topic should TLOU: Pt. II fail to impress commercially and if these "consequences" have weight.



                                                                                                                                                           

DonFerrari said:
twintail said:

You need to quantify this with an example or something. But i truly do not see how.

You haven't ever seem something as ghostbuster with shoehorned agenda make the product worse?

I think you're overselling the impact an agenda has on development. Ghostbusters was not fantastic for many reasons outside of the agenda they wanted to push.



The Last of Us is too big for the quality of the game or it's messages to keep it's minimum sales below exceptional. The only question is whether those sales will be deserved or not.

Also, I don't speak for everyone, but my issue with the recent influx of political messages in entertainment generally isn't the message itself, unless it's something blatantly false like women being oppressed in the western 1st world anymore then men are. My problem is when it doesn't fit into the context of the story and is hamfisted into an already established and popular series as this seems to always mean the quality suffers hard for it.

You want to put messages in the entertainment you're making? By all means go for it but make it original and make sure entertainment is still the priority. Stop hijacking big prexisting franchises and only using them as a platform for your message.

EDIT: Not saying for sure this is the case with TLoU2 just yet, will wait til the game is actually out.



Lonely_Dolphin said:

The Last of Us is too big for the quality of the game or it's messages to keep it's minimum sales below exceptional. The only question is whether those sales will be deserved or not.

You want to put messages in the entertainment you're making? By all means go for it but make it original and make sure entertainment is still the priority. Stop hijacking big prexisting franchises and only using them as a platform for your message.

I also think TLOU2 will be a huge success hit, will easily sell 10 million copies. It doesn't matter what they do, it will be huge. Its like The Rise of Skywalker, it doesnt matter how bad it was, it was definitely be a big hit with.

I also agree with what you say about hijacking franchises. This happen because if they try to build something to fit their agenda since the beginning, there is a chance it won't really succeed, so it's easier to do it with something already established. 

For example if the next uncharted game has Drake's daughter as protagonist, Drake left Elaine as he found himself to be homossexual and now is trying to fight for the socialist revolution in africa, and the plot revolves around joining forces with an antifa group to overthrown the conservative president which is allied with the local church, it would still sell gazillions as this is uncharted and has all those characters we love.

But if you try to start something with such amount of messages people would probably not buy the game. Therefore, you need to rely on changing what is existing. And it sucks.



Anyone find it odd both games are really close together? Like if both are AAA you’d want them to have their own breathing room.



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